Yes, but did you know 87.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

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what sort of Confidence Interval do you have on that statistic?

<=100%

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I would argue that the Diresword is a lot more effective in Epic than it is in 40K .

I don't see that there is a major reason to change the Dire Avenger Exarch in Epic to be honest. I've used formations which include said Exarch, and he has worked well enough for me.

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There are two questions here. One is how much the Inspiring ability is worth. I can't see the DA exarch thrown into CC when he is still better in FF. However, if one considers Inspiring to be worth 25pt in itself, he is worth it.

The second question is whether, in a given situation, the Dire Avenger Exarch is the best choice. The answer here is clearly no, regardless of the situation. The Dark Reaper Exarch outshoots him, and has ranged shots to boot. The Striking Scorpion and Howling Banshee Exarch outfight him. Other Aspects have their own niches. Thus, regardless of the value of Inspiring, there are other Exarchs that provide greater value.

If the Dire Avenger Exarch had EA+1 FF, he would outshoot the Dark Reaper, but at the cost of the ranged shooting. This would make the choice between an Avenger and a Reaper Exarch a choice, not a given. Personally, I might still take the Reaper for extra prepping fire, at the cost of a single pip of FF. But there would be a cost. That is different from currently, where no choice, no trade-off, exists.,

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wow, I wish I wrote that originally. So, my argument is pretty much what ^ said

Inspiring *is* worth 25 points, the extra attacks are just icing. I'd *still* take 2 Exarchs in a Warhost for 25 points each if they had no extra attacks at all.

I agree.

My point is would you ever take Dire Avengers, given the choice? Not have you, and have they worked, but have you ever said to yourself, "Man, I wish these were DA Exarchs!". I can't imagine any reason to.

Edit- If you haven't, they don't have a niche. Not DA as an Aspect but DA Exarchs in relation to other Exarchs.

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The thing is, *I* would ask the same thing about any of the Close Combat Exarchs... that inspiring is worth more in a FF unit than in one you have to risk in base contact, which is why I was agreeable to the thought of the CC Exarchs getting MW.

The "niche" for a Dire Avenger Exarch is that it's the only one that gets two attacks regardless of whether it it's in base contact or firefight; that is, to me, unique and useful. If my Fire Dragon or Dark Reaper Exarch gets based, I'm gonna be saying, "I wish that was a Dire Avenger Exarch", it's a good representation of the "defensive" abilities they give their squad.

You won't find disagreement from me on this point.



I like this justification. The question I have is: Why are you letting your Exarchs get based? There is virtually nothing that equals the 50cm engage range of mounted Eldar, and if there is anything left of the enemy when you're done, you're doing it wrong, IMO.

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Becasue sometimes the enemy does things you don't want them to... like go first, or attack you, or trash your transports, etc.

That's a much better way of summing up the point I was trying to get across in my post.

I would add to that the flexibility of the Dire Avenger Exarch does come in useful if your opponent manages to get into base to base contact during an assault with more units than you expected, for example.

No matter how well you play, your opponent can still sometimes catch you out.

Of course, I do agree that it is preferable not to get into base to base contact, but I would definitely opt for a Dire Avenger Exarch over a Howling Banshee or Striking Scorpion Exarch, because experience has taught me that base contact is not a good place for an Exarch to be unless it is absolutely necessary, so Dire Avenger Exarchs offer something of a solid 'middle ground' choice in my opinion.

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