You're right about that. With all of the variant lists we have for the Eldar now, the special rules should be clearly outlined.

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I come back on the Night Spinner.

I played my second eldar 3000pts game (Saim-Hann) today, with 2 Falcons troupes (x5 and x6) each including 2 Firestorms, and I feel how Firestorm AA capacity is volatile (they were broken and destroyed early). So limiting Firestorms number with 0-1 in Falcons troupes and none in Night Spinners troupes leads to take titan or Nightwings mandatory to provide a correct AA cover.

I accept the limitation in Falcon Troupe, but I have more difficulties to accept it in Night Spinners troupe.

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Well, okay, but if this is supposed to represent the base-line eldar list (i.e. the list without the bells and whistles), why are you adding a manditory unit? It's implying that the luxury of not taking a SC is somehow against the true Eldar way.

I honestly don't know why anyone would want to do so, but it isn't all that unfluffy for someone to run without an autarch. Farseers are just as reasonable to be field commanders.

In any case, that "citizen-soldier, not professional, so XYZ liability applies" has never held much water with me. People used to use that to try to get storm guardians ditched from the 40k list. Guardians are used because, to borrow a ill-liked phrase, "you go to war with the army you have, not the one you want." Sometimes there might not be an autarch available when the stuff hits the fan. Iyanden was lucky that the admiral came back, or else they'd have bought the farm.

Other than Ulthwe and Saim-Hann I personally feel that Autarchs should be mandatory for all Eldar armies. Even the Farseers defer to them in times of war (I use the 40K fluff and not the Swordwind fluff).

Eldar armies have often been described as a symphony, each unit representing a particular instrument. What good is a symphony without its conductor?

I think of him as the glue that holds the Eldar army together.

On a 40K scale I can see armies not being led by Autarchs, they're small engagements, but this is Epic. The amount of Craftworld resources being diverted to the field requires a logistical knowledge that Farseers (with exception) and Exarchs (more intent on bloodshed) can't provide.

Besides, it's not as if there is a lack of Autarchs on Craftworlds. The Path of Command is just as seductive as the Path of the Seer or Warrior.

As to Prince Yriel he's not your average Autarch. He's an exceptional individual. I'm sure there were other Autarchs on Iyaden when Hive Fleet Kraken (Leviathan? I always forget) attacked.

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You can take up to two Firestorms in each Swords of Vaul troupe.

But otherwise, those are the only AA options in any Eldar army. I don't see why this one should be any different.


A couple of nitpicks (which apply to all the Craftworld lists, actually):
* Strategy rating should be 4, not 4+, since it's a value that's compared or added to a roll, not a target for a die roll.
* War Walkers: "Four to Six Eldar War Walkers for +35 points each." Since there's no base cost for the formation to which these are added, should it not read simply "for 35 points each"? Same with the Rangers. For comparison, the Swords of Vaul troupe reads "Five to six Falcons for 50 points each", not "for +50 points each."

One thing that immediately jumps out as a nice feature of this list is the ability to put the Autarch in a Guardian Warhost and keep him a bit more out of the way than usual (as I see it it's one of the strengths of the Ulthwé list, too). I'm guessing that's part of why he costs 100 points rather than the usual 75.

If I were in a position to play more often, I might give this one a go, but alas, that isn't the case.

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I think this is the only Eldar list that an Autarch can be added to a Guardian Host. As to him being 100pts I don't know why he's more expensive than other Autarchs. It might be a typo by Chroma.

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Sorry, yes, I meant the Ulthwé list allows you to put your Supreme Commander in a Guardian Warhost. Ulthwé having the Seer Council as its SC rather than an Autarch.

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Yes, Chroma updates this in the v1.3 => v1.3.1 change


I was stay with the idea Night Spinners in Shield of Vaul troupe could be swap with Firestorm. But you gave me a doubt and I've just checked last Chroma's lists and this possibility is history for now.
So coherency with the other lists is ok. (Any chance of keeping coherency with other lists about the size of Warwalkers troupe ? )

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Fire Storms in Nightspinner Troupes were demonstrably too powerful.

I loved doing "assault gun" formations of 2xFS 1xNS, good enoough for a 90cm sustain with Disrupt and very effective is direct shooting and as AA. Use two or three and your AA worries are over, plus you have cheap, fast, flexible, skimming, long-ranged activations...

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So Chroma, was that a typo or was it done purposely?

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Closing this thread as version 1.3.3 will be available soon. It takes out the mandatory Autarch entry.

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Has anyone tried this list, and if so what are their thoughts?

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The newer version is up above, Malakai!

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