In the NetEA draft document I got, Revenant Pulse Lasers are 2x MW3. Is this wrong?

I doubt it. Mine has the same, now that I look. Must be a typo in the PDF. We'll wait for AoC to confirm/deny it.

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the revenant pulse lasers were dropped to MW4+ in response to people saying that they were overpowered and encouraged a sit and sustain style of play (how I don't know, revenants die like flies if you leave in the open). The EpicUK list has them at MW3+ still, no idea what they're really supposed to be or indeed if any playtesting has been done either way. I find revenants underwhelming more for their lack of RA than their lack of firepower. Just look at them funny and they fall over.

I agree with knocking the D-cannon and Tremor cannon down to 3BP, although that doesn't really alter the D-cannon's WE killing potential. A single sustain on a Mega Gargant could still take it out, more so if unshielded.

easiest way to nerf the fist is to knock down the no. of shooting attacks. I mean, the thing only has 4 knuckles, where are the other 2 shots coming from? Take it down to AP/T5 if neccessary. It's not rocket science after all

I can't see how making the Pulse Lasers less powerful would make the sit and sustain option less attractive. I'm more likely to sustain the higher the to hit, personally.

True on the D-Cannon for the most part but you could, at least theoretically, "hole" two WEs with a 2 template attack, no?

The number and power of the Fist's shots is truly staggering. It's as powerful in itself as an ATML Gatling Blaster; 50% more shots at half the range. The GB is 25pts alone, but the PF is also a Titan CCW for all intents and purposes. 4x AP5+/AT5+ would still be a good amount of firepower without being so OTT.

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Wasn't the MW4+ reversed with the Pulse changes? Going to 2x shots nerfed the Scorpion and the Revenants (as they were likely to get 3 shots with the old rules), so the change to 4+ wasn't necessary anymore.

Lower to-hit might also affect the survivability - you're more likely to choose to double with them with higher to-hit, so they can more easily move-shoot-move from cover to cover. Assuming you're playing with big enough cover to hide the revenants of course.

Agreeing (once again) with the Power Fist opinions; it's literally 3 separate titan weapons wrapped up into one and dramatically under costed.

Yes, if it can be balanced.

Right now it seems to win 90% of its games.

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Good to get some feed back from you AoC, in regards to the ratio issie, its not about getting more non titan formtaions in, for me it was more just a matter of making playable list, even if you restrict some of the vechile options to make up for it, or something to that effect, its not a lack of titan models thats the issue, just epic being activation based and it playing a major part of a win/ Loss aspect of the game, its just good to have the option to have some smaller non titan formations to manvour / hold objectives with.

the sword stats you listed still in my opinon seem inferior to the PF, i see the sword as you put it aswell , a real beast CC weapon, something even in the range of no FF and big CC stats EA +2/3 (TKD6) ? make it stand out from the fist in CC alot more, just a thought.

And im not sure how people seem to think having pulars at 3+ encourgaes sustained fire over move and fire ? and how does upping it to +4 make people want to move and fire more ? if anything doesnt it have the opposite effect ?

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I guess the "Spirit Sword" on the FW Phantom will replace the Power Fist. Wh40k (Apocalypse) rules will make this just another Titan-Close-Combat-Weapon with no special abilities to differentiate them.

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Placing "Ignores Living Metal" on the Spirit Sword makes it a weapon that won't see very much action at all, except when facing Necrons. By doing that, you'll diminish its percieved usefulness, especially to players that never face Necrons. I have to be totally against that, if my opinion counts at all, and against anything item or specific rule that does something like that.

Perhaps give the sword "First Strike" instead, as it is a longer weapon and gives the Titan a bit of reach as opposed to a Power Fist, and they'll be able to get the drop on their opponet a bit sooner.

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Oh god, please don't start the "weapon that ignores saves that can be taken even against weapons that ignore saves that can be taken even against weapons that normally ignore saves".

I hate that crap.

I like the removal of the Shooting from the Fist. It keeps the Engage monster feel, while making prep less powerful, restricted to the other arm weapon and the Missiles. I'd still up it to +50pt, though.

I don't like a race-specific special rule on the Sword. I think as a Titan hunter, CC EA+2 (possibly +3), TK(d3), First Strike would make it something to be feared. Really best against other Titan-class WEs, those with Shields or Holofields, but it would create a virtual 25cm exclusion zone around itself for WEs, allowing it to be an anchor for a Titan group. +25pt for EA+2, +50 for EA+3.

I'm not a fan of fixed TKs. It's too uncertain what the weapon will hit. Even TK(1)s are effectively TK(d1)s...

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JTG and I are in the midst of playing a Space Wolves vs ETC game.

So far what I notice is:

There's sooo much MW, Ignore cover, TK, Disrupt weaponry I got a bit overwhelmed. I understand the need to fight other Titans requires this type of thing but it doesn't make it that much fun versus any other list type and especially when that weaponry has barrages included. This problem isn't specific to the ETC. I find any list where it is allowed to take more titans than a 1/3 allowance seems a little against how the game plays versus non-WE lists. Infantry armies can't do much about them and while they might win a few it's still not much fun when you rarely kill stuff. e.g. So far, after turn 2 the Space Wolves have killed... nothing... And that's after a Landing Craft air-assault - my best hitter.

Do the Revenenats have to get a Barrage weapon? Especially with Disrupt, Ignore Cover, Lance?

The army is nigh-on all fearless. Not exactly the best fun really. Sure you can dance around it when it's broken but it's still not that fun when nothing dies and you know it rallies on 3+ from broken.

I was going to mention the powerfist but no need it seems

Do things have to have EA +2 or better? Why not just EA +1 on occasion?

On paper, a warlock with 2x Psychic Lances is a bit OTT. Short range, sure, but 6BP Disrupt, Ignore cover, TKd3?

The argument that Revenants die like flies - I've never seen it. They usually hop around from cover to cover making that a pretty hard ask. It takes a ****-load of firepower to kill revenants. Even with my Tau it's been difficult at times and they're supposedly the shootiest army going.


Anyway, these are just my immediate thoughts on the list.

Thanks Angel.

ok,, a few dumb questions on acronyms.... Etc = Eldar Titan clan?
Crons = Necrons?, and OTT.. don't know what that was... sorry,, just having a blonde moment.
Also i have to agree with ya'll,,, If you play revenants right, they don't get killed very easily, but if you stick them in the open,, they do seem to die.