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[BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines
Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:41 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Well, I was *finally* able to spring a Dark Eldar game on an unsuspecting opponent this evening and was able to keep a game log as well. Armies and report to follow! _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:56 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Rules Used All experimental rules Dark Eldar 1.01 Surprise Attack! Dark Eldar are treated as having Strategy Rating 6 for determining table edge, setup and deployment and Strategy Rating 3 for all other purposes. Barge of Pleasure gains reinforced armour They Shall Know No Fear Add: Marines never count as outnumbered, only vastly outnumbered. Change: When a broken Space Marine formation rallies then it receives a number of Blast markers equal to half the number of units. Armies Kabal of the Bloodied Talon - 2000 Points Webway Portal Kabal Coterie - (BTS Goal) 4 Incubi 2 Raiders Archon 2 Extra Incubi 1 Extra Raider Kabal Syndicate 6 Warriors 1 Raider Barge of Pleasure Ravager Armada 4 Ravagers 2 Extra Ravagers Wyche Cult Succubus 4 Wyches 2 Raiders Mandrake Throng 4 Mandrakes Reaver Gang 4 Reavers Unsuspecting Space Marines - 2000 Points Tactical Detachment - (BTS Goal) 6 Tactical Marines Supreme Commander 3 Rhinos 1 Hunter 1 Razorbacks (Lascannon) Scouts Detachment 1 4 Scouts 1 Razorbacks (Lascannon) 1 Captain Scouts Detachment 2 4 Scouts 1 Razorbacks (Lascannon) 1 Captain Scouts Detachment 3 4 Scouts 1 Razorbacks (Lascannon) 1 Chaplain Scouts Detachment 4 4 Scouts 1 Razorbacks (Lascannon) 1 Chaplain Land Speeders 1 5 Land Speeders Land Speeders 2 5 Land Speeders Thunderhawk 1 Thunderhawk _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:26 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Setup 4x4 table Dark Eldar chose edge deployment. Garrisons and Deployment Dark Eldar kept the Ravagers and the Wyches in the Webway. Space Marines kept the Thunderhawk, empty, in reserve. Space Marines garrisoned all detachments except the Tactical and Scout 4, with Scouts 1 and 3 starting on Overwatch. Remaining deployment as shown: _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:49 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Turn 1 Mandrakes de-cloak in the ruins near the ruined Cathedral, picking up 1 Blast marker. Strategy Roll: Marines, allow Dark Eldar to go first. Flickering like dark flames, the Mandrakes rush forward to engage Scout 3, taking another Blast marker from their overwatch fire and manage to wreck 1 Rhino? before the shadow-skinned Dark Eldar are completely wiped out (*SIGH*). Screaming out of the sky, the Thunderhawk performs a ground attack on the Kabal Coterie and takes out a single Raider. The Dark Eldar Warriors of the Kabal Syndicate grab on to their scaling nets and double forward to blast Speeder Detachment 2, first taking a Blast marker from Scout 1's overwatch fire, and then erasing 1 Land Speeder and placing 3 Blast markers. The Tactical Detachment mounts up and doubles forward to fire on the Syndicate, laying a single, disappointing Blast marker. Land Speeder Detachment 1, with the support of the Tacticals and Speeder 2, engages the Kabal Syndicate? scoring two hits on the Barge of Pleasure's Shadowfield, while 3 Speeders are knocked out of the air. ?Things look good for the Dark Eldar? until the support fire wipes out all the spike-festooned war craft and slaughtering the Dark Eldar Warriors? ?(I had scored enough hits to wipe out the initial Land Speeder attack, but my opponent made those 2 saves to keep the support fire alive? *sigh*) The Webway portal shimmers open and the Ravagers advance out in a menacing approach on the Tactical Detachment. ?A furious fusillade of fire hammers the Space Marines, smashing apart a Rhino and disabling 3 units of Tactical Marines, including the Supreme Commander who is reduced to a screaming wreck, shouting about "Spiders in my armour!!", which greatly demoralizes the Marines and heartens the Dark Eldar. Looking for revenge, Scout Detachment 2 sustains fire on the Ravagers, dropping three of the be-weaponed craft out of the air and breaking the formation, which flees for cover. The Reavers march deep into enemy territory, setting themselves up for a future strike? Scout Detachment 4 mounts up and doubles around to the Reavers position, but their inaccurate fire places only a single Blast marker. Reduced to a walking pace by the loss of a Raider, the Archon marches his Coterie further up the battlefield. Speeder Detachment 2 marshals, making a lateral advance and removing 2 Blast markers? End of Turn: ?All formations rally, though some Blast markers still remain? _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:04 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Turn 2 No teleports. Strategy Roll: Marines Seeing the slowly approaching Incubi, Scout Detachment 3 sustains fire on the Coterie, killing a single unit of armoured Dark Eldar. The Captain of Scout Detachment 2 calls on Speeder 1 to perform a combined attack on the Coterie, but the unstopping screams of the disabled Supreme Commander disrupt communications so the Scouts are only able to snap off a few shots at the Dark Eldar leader and place a single Blast marker. The Ravagers double forward to blast 1 Land Speeder out of Speeder 1. And the Webway gate shimmers again and the Wyches ride shrieking out, leaping from their Raiders to engage Scout Detachment 3.  One Wych dies, but the Scouts are wiped out, their defeat liberally sprinkling Blast markers amongst the nearby Marine formations. Scout Detachment 1 attempts to sustain fire on the Coterie, but they have been shaken by the horrors they have seen and only manage some ineffective fire, none striking home. The Coterie doubles forward to fire on Scout Detachment 4, placing a single Blast marker. The Reavers howl forward to engage Scout Detachment 4, with the support of the nearby Coterie.  Not a single Marine Scout, nor Marine tank, survives and the Dark Eldar are completely unscathed!  The Reavers race ahead to look for more action. The Thunderhawk appears, again hammering the Kabal Coterie, blasting apart 2 Raiders and forcing the Dark Eldar commander to flee for cover. Speeder Detachment 1 advances on the Ravagers? and lays a single Blast marker. Speeder Detachment 2 does the exact same thing! The Tacticals mount up and march as far away from their writhing Supreme Commander as they can and hurriedly secure the Dark Eldar Blitz? End of Turn:  Again all formations rally and again some Blast markers remain? _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:19 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Turn 3 No teleports. Strategy Roll: Dark Eldar COMPLETELY hopped up on goof-balls, the Reavers scream forward to engage the co-mingled Scout Detachments 1 and 2 and both Land Speeder Detachments, just barely getting into fire-fight range of the rearmost Marine units and few of their counter-charges get them in range of the insane Dark Eldar (I can't believe I forgot to snap a picture before this battle, I blame the goof-balls?). ?The Marines lose 2 Rhinos and knock a single Reaver unit out of the air? and then just manage to win the fight by "2", sending the sole surviving Reaver rapidly fleeing? And then, to the utter shock of the Marines, the Wyches charge in, engaging the whole same co-mingled bunch of the Emperor's Finest! ?The Wyches score no kills. ?The Marines score no kills. ?Wyches: outnumbered. ?Marines: lotsa Blast markers. ?This time: the Dark Eldar win by 2, destroying a Razorback and scattering the Marines to the winds! ?The victorious Wyches reposition themselves to secure Marine Obj 1. The Thunderhawk lands near the Marine Blitz, securing it, and fires on the bloodied Wyches, placing a single Blast marker. The Tactical Detachment tries to double forward, but falters, regrouping to clear their heads. The Kabal Coterie tries to double forward towards the Marine Blitz in hope of scaring off the Thunderhawk, but the Incubi start bickering about how they're going to need to get new Raiders and the Archon just regroups by poisoning one of them instead? End of Turn: ?Dark Eldar 0 (none) vs Space Marines 1 (Blitzkrieg) Scout 2 fails to rally for the Marines as does the single Reaver for the Dark Eldar, all other formations rally. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:29 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Turn 4 No teleports. Strategy Roll: Marines Scout Detachment 1 attempts to advance, but fails to move forward, and regroups, removing all Blast markers. The Wyches hesitate, but then rush forward to engage the landed Thunderhawk, tearing the flying war engine apart in a flash of blades and they move to claim the Marine Blitz. The Ravagers double on Speeder 2, scrapping 2 Land Speeders and breaking the Marine formation. Maintaining the cordon around the Dark Eldar Blitz, the Tactical use an advance to reposition themselves to fire on the Ravagers, destroying one of the floating weapon platforms and breaking the formation. The remnants of Speeder Detachment 1 maintain their position on Dark Eldar Objective 2, going onto overwatch. Having missed out on almost all the fun, the Archon marches his Coterie over to claim Marine Objective 1? End of Turn: ?Dark Eldar 2 (Blitz, T-n-H) vs Space Marines 2 (Blitz, T-n-H) Tie-breaker: Dark Eldar 850 vs Marines 1225 - Marginal Victory Marines! _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Enderel	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:41 am
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:54 pm Posts: 1134 Location: Southampton - UK	Nice report Chroma, I'm unsure of what the dark eldar look like up close and personal as I'm not a 40k player... Do you have any links to the army at all?  Photo's or brief descriptions on what they are would be cool! Regards _________________ I am become death the destroyer of worlds.
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:46 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (Enderel @ 15 June 2006 (10:41)) Nice report Chroma, I'm unsure of what the dark eldar look like up close and personal as I'm not a 40k player... Do you have any links to the army at all? ?Photo's or brief descriptions on what they are would be cool! Hey Enderel! ?Well, everything we used for Dark Eldar in the fight was just proxied, so no actual DE models in the pictures. Falcons = Raiders Fire Prisms = Ravagers Stormserpent = Barge Jetbikes = Reavers Warp Spiders = Incubi Howling Banshees = Wyches Rangers = Mandrakes The GW Dark Eldar picture gallery can be found right here. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Ilushia	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:49 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 10:50 am Posts: 1189	What'd you think of the Mandrakes? What I found with them when I tried using them (Admittedly I've only played with DE once, against myself!) Was that they fall apart practically at first contact with the enemy... And really don't have the capacity to do enough damage to make them worth it.
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stugmeister	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:57 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:26 pm Posts: 874	Nice bat rep Chroma! The writhing supreme commander and the dudes on goof-balls made me chuckle.
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:03 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (Ilushia @ 15 June 2006 (13:49)) What'd you think of the Mandrakes? What I found with them when I tried using them (Admittedly I've only played with DE once, against myself!) Was that they fall apart practically at first contact with the enemy... And really don't have the capacity to do enough damage to make them worth it. Well, considering they engaged an enemy formation that was on overwatch after receiving a Blast marker from their teleport, I don't think there was much they *could* do this time out.   At 200 points, these guys just don't seem worth it, I would've been better served getting aircraft instead of them. Also, my Kabal Coterie did basically *nothing* the entire game... having your Raiders shot out from under you really emasculates them.  *laugh* *sigh* I hope to get in a few more Dark Eldar games in the next week, just to get a better feel for them... considering the losses they took early on, I was suprised at how close the game was in the end, though, really, the only thing that kept me in any kind of contention was my audacious attacks with very small formations against massively intermingled opponents!  Don't think non-scout armies would give much of a chance of being able to exploit that. As of now, my opinion is that the Dark Eldar are *extremely* fragile for their points... _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Enderel	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:07 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:54 pm Posts: 1134 Location: Southampton - UK	Quote (Chroma @ 15 June 2006 (13:46)) Quote (Enderel @ 15 June 2006 (10:41)) Nice report Chroma, I'm unsure of what the dark eldar look like up close and personal as I'm not a 40k player... Do you have any links to the army at all? ?Photo's or brief descriptions on what they are would be cool! Hey Enderel! ?Well, everything we used for Dark Eldar in the fight was just proxied, so no actual DE models in the pictures. Falcons = Raiders Fire Prisms = Ravagers Stormserpent = Barge Jetbikes = Reavers Warp Spiders = Incubi Howling Banshees = Wyches Rangers = Mandrakes The GW Dark Eldar picture gallery can be found right here. Thanks, that gives me a better understanding of what type of unit each is. Regards _________________ I am become death the destroyer of worlds.
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Ilushia	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:00 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 10:50 am Posts: 1189	I think the Raiders and Ravagers should both move from Light Vehicle to Armored Vehicle, personally. At the very least the Ravagers should, they're as well armored as Space Marine Rhinos, which are AVs last time I checked. I'd HIGHLY recommend moving Raiders to 4+ saves, if nothing else. They're as fast as Land Speeders and supposedly one of the most maneuverable crafts in existence, built for the express purpose of evading enemy fire while they come in for landing to attack.. They should be at least as good at evading destruction then the less-well-refined clunky Land Speeders are. It seems to me that the Dark Eldar vehicles are really overly weak compared to what they should be. While it is true that Falcons are also 5+ armor saves, Falcons are also AVs, not LVs, so fewer weapons can hurt them in general.
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Chroma	Post subject: [BatRep] Dark Eldar vs Space Marines Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:08 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (Ilushia @ 15 June 2006 (15:00)) It seems to me that the Dark Eldar vehicles are really overly weak compared to what they should be. While it is true that Falcons are also 5+ armor saves, Falcons are also AVs, not LVs, so fewer weapons can hurt them in general. I don't really mind them being LVs, as they are "open-topped" and such. The terrible thing I found with them is that, as they are rarely in cover, while their infantry usually are, the opponent can just decide "not to fire at targets in cover" and hose down the Raiders with all their fire which is, in my opinion, very devestating for Dark Eldar. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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