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Ilushia
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Post subject: Dark Eldar 1.1 vs. AMTL 2.0  Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:41 pm |
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I can try to. The last time I did the DE get stomped effortlessly (Mostly because that was in v1.0... And they were seriously over-costed in a lot of places and way under-powered. Especially since I had one of the titans from that list on the field... 500 points for something without RA and just 4 DC? Ouch.)
My only ytrouble is I really don't have anywhere good to play it. None of the tables in my house which are large enough to play Epic on aren't covered in loads of junk, so I really don't have space to play it on a normal table-size. And playing on a table that's 3'x3' is a bit on the cramped side... I'll see what I can do though.
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Post subject: Dark Eldar 1.1 vs. AMTL 2.0 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:39 am |
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Ilushia,
As you have stated earlier your experiences are primarily on playing the AMTL, throwing theory of gross lists are no match for actual games.
thoery always loses to dice and wily opponents. Most good players never bother with gross lists unless they are min/maxing for a playtest.
Dwarf Supreme summed up my feelings, a balanced list should always be able to take on all comers.
The AMTL still need some work, and so do the DE, playtests and reports are everything.
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Ilushia
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Post subject: Dark Eldar 1.1 vs. AMTL 2.0 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:57 am |
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I just have a hard time believing the list is all that over-powered considering past experiences. I lose to Corey regularly. But it may be true that the list IS over-powered. Just doesn't feel that bad to me.
on the subject of lists always being evenly matched, I say bull. If you pack a marine force heavy on scouts and I pack an IG force heavy on tanks you're going to struggle. Simply because you lack the AT fire to fight the tanks effectively. You will never reach a point at which army lists are balanced that way, IMHO, no matter how long you try.
I will say this much: AMTL is a very nasty list if you don't know how to fight it. And it certainly requires a lot of forethought and planning. I believe that Orangesm could have pulled a win out of the first game with a little more careful placement of his assaults (Choosing better targets for the Terminators, for instance), and by simply remembering to actually land the THawk on the blitz... But that might just be my perception.
I'd love to get more chances to play AMTL against more lists and try to find holes in it (Or even play against it) but no one besides me around here plays AMTL, and I haven't been able to get out to play with Corey in a while.
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Xisor
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Post subject: Dark Eldar 1.1 vs. AMTL 2.0 Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:02 am |
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Excellent Reporto!
Sort of exactly as I'd expect I suppose...
Having said that, I know "You shouldn't tailor your lists", but I highly suspect most archons would know if they're going up against a Titan Legion. If they didn't they shouldn't be an Archo. The list Moscovian picked, I'd say, was unbalanced such that he *couldn't* accomodate to fighting against a heavy force.
In light of that I'd agree about dropping the Perditor. Perhaps even simply dropping that for a Slavebringer would be productive(if I'm remember my points right...which is highly unlikely).
@ Illushia Specifically: Try encouraging folks to use your AMTL list and for you to play against it. That worked well for me in the early days of Tau development in BFG.
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