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Malakai
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually?  Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:32 am |
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I am trying to decide if I should include an option for fielding Revenants on thier own. During the playtesting of SwordWind I brought up the question a couple of times and was really not given a good answer as to why the Eldar shouldn't have this ability.
So in my friendly games I was thinking about allowing myself the option of doing this, but with my opponents consent of course. What I would like help with is possible points cost increases or valid reasons why doing this may unbalance the game too far in favour of the Eldar.
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Malakai
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tneva82
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:29 am |
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| Quote (Malakai @ 09 Dec. 2005 (03:32)) | I am trying to decide if I should include an option for fielding Revenants on thier own. During the playtesting of SwordWind I brought up the question a couple of times and was really not given a good answer as to why the Eldar shouldn't have this ability.
So in my friendly games I was thinking about allowing myself the option of doing this, but with my opponents consent of course. What I would like help with is possible points cost increases or valid reasons why doing this may unbalance the game too far in favour of the Eldar.
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Malakai |
As far as I recall reason for not having them available as alone was that they made scorpions seem rather obsolete. Basicly for bit extra price you got all around superior warmachine that did basicly scorpions job and some more._________________ www.tneva.net
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:57 pm |
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Personally, I think the Revenants are too cheap as they are (needing to be another 50 points or so). If they were priced approriately, I would have no game-balance objection to having them available 1 at a time.
But as to why pairs... I have some vague memory of background material about Revenant crews usually being twins.
I know the old AT fluff had titan crews as (IIRC) triplets with bloodline relation to the souls in the titan's infinity circuit. It's possible that I confused the two, but I thought Revenants were traditionally twins.
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lilroblis
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:34 pm |
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In game balance terms, I would like it as at 3000 points you can feiled a much more varied army, but like using two so have no major problems.
Have yet to find an eldar unit (well except for scouts and storm serpents) that I do not like.
Robert
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:37 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 09 Dec. 2005 (14:57)) | But as to why pairs... I have some vague memory of background material about Revenant crews usually being twins.
I know the old AT fluff had titan crews as (IIRC) triplets with bloodline relation to the souls in the titan's infinity circuit. ?It's possible that I confused the two, but I thought Revenants were traditionally twins. |
I never knew that. Interesting. That's the kind of fluff I like.
As for fielding them individually, fluff aside, it would kind of make sense to allow it since you can now take single Warhounds, unlike previous epic versions.
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Malakai
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:25 am |
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Yes, in fluff background Eldar Twins were raised with thier Revenant Titans from birth. They are supposed to act in unison and all the jazz because of it. Triplets crew the Phantom's and Warlocks.
While I'm a big one for fluff I really do hate to be restricted in such a way like this. I mean, what happends in extended campaigns when one of the Revenant titans gets it? The other twin is overwhelmed with grief and decides never to pilot his titan again? Seems silly to not be able to field it individually.
I'm just worried about game balance that's all. My girlfriend is my normal opponent and she plays space marines, so she has a hard enough time defeating me as it is. I don't want to make it too difficult for her.
Malakai
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yme-loc
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:27 pm |
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| Quote (Malakai @ 10 Dec. 2005 (06:25)) | Yes, in fluff background Eldar Twins were raised with thier Revenant Titans from birth. They are supposed to act in unison and all the jazz because of it. Triplets crew the Phantom's and Warlocks.
While I'm a big one for fluff I really do hate to be restricted in such a way like this. I mean, what happends in extended campaigns when one of the Revenant titans gets it? The other twin is overwhelmed with grief and decides never to pilot his titan again? Seems silly to not be able to field it individually.
I'm just worried about game balance that's all. My girlfriend is my normal opponent and she plays space marines, so she has a hard enough time defeating me as it is. I don't want to make it too difficult for her.
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Revenants are a little undercosted currently but should hopefully go up to about 700pts with any future review - so if you get agreement from your oponent go with about 350pts individually and there should be no real problems.
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tneva82
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:51 am |
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| Quote (Malakai @ 10 Dec. 2005 (06:25)) | Yes, in fluff background Eldar Twins were raised with thier Revenant Titans from birth. They are supposed to act in unison and all the jazz because of it. Triplets crew the Phantom's and Warlocks.
While I'm a big one for fluff I really do hate to be restricted in such a way like this. I mean, what happends in extended campaigns when one of the Revenant titans gets it? The other twin is overwhelmed with grief and decides never to pilot his titan again? Seems silly to not be able to field it individually.
I'm just worried about game balance that's all. My girlfriend is my normal opponent and she plays space marines, so she has a hard enough time defeating me as it is. I don't want to make it too difficult for her.
Malakai |
Well for starters the list as it doesn't really represent prolonged campaign list. Or how come all formations are always same sized? Especially with marines who can't just easily bring more troops?
Also if you are worried about balance...Well they were put in pairs specifically to reduce their power  _________________ www.tneva.net
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Post subject: Fielding Revenant Titans individually? Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:36 pm |
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For what its worth, when we first started playing the swordwind eldar, my opponent got a few things screwed up. One of the biggies was that Eldar Rev's had to field in pairs. As individuals, they made the list very imbalanced. I couldn't beat the list. He had soo many cheap activations it was just impossible to deal with them. The Rev's are too cheap in the swordwind list - no doubt about it from our games.
In our area, they're a no brainer to see in eldar lists. You see them before any EoV.
The only lists that do not bring them are the heavily infantry centric lists which have tank support primarily to mobilize the infantry. However, these lists are nowhere near the norm.
Reducing Rev's down to singular models would increase the power in the list adding more activations and more potential targets per turn for the same points.
Again, they are too cheap in the current list. That should be rectified first. Then, if they were seperated, a further increase would be in order.
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