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Author:	v_guesne [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Gue'senshi AAR
well, I played 3 Epic Minigeddon battles in the Apylos campaign last Saturday The Event : ?http://epic-fr.niceboard.com/General....220.htm Apylos Campaign : ?http://epic-fr.niceboard.com/Campagne-d ... los-c6.htm Epic Minigeddon rules summary : ?- army limit : 1000 points ?- formation limit : 400 points ?- board size : 60x120 cm (about 2' x 4') Epic Minigeddon rules : ?http://epic-fr.niceboard.com/Epic-Ar....156.htm my armies : 2 first battles : ?- grenadier company + markerlight platoon + chimera transports (BTS goal) ?- airborne grenadier company + valkyries transports ?- stingray squadron + skyray upgrade last battle : ?- grenadier company + markerlight platoon + fire support platoon (BTS goal) ?- airborne grenadier company + valkyries transports ?- stingray squadron + skyray upgrade I tested Grenadiers with standard IG Stormtroopers' profile, to see if there was a lack of firepower ... feedback : overall good, as I managed to win the 3 battles, despite the 2 first were not easy victories ... ?- 1st battle : Necrons silly me, I deployed my mechanised company in garison but troups loaded exept makerlights ... the teleport of his C'tan, 2 monoliths and 1 legion at assault range gave me a real bad fealing but the Airborne Company's and Stingray squadron's firepower, and his C'tan activation failure broke his assault finished on hit-and-run fight with less-than-half formations, last double move from the stingray squadron giving me victory ... Turn : 3 Necron : 1 goal (BTS) Gue'senshi : 3 goals (BTS, Blitzkrieg, Take and Hold) ?- 2nd battle : Iron Warriors (Black legion) I deployed badly, He striked me with heavy firepower, I failed a lot of activation ... Airborne company's grenadiers were the men of the day, they saved the whole battle Stingrays got soon crippled, broken and never rallied ... Luck came back when his BTS formation failed an assault again entranched grenadiers. The move of his Deathwheal to catch the broken stingray squadron near his HQ gave me one goal, Valkyries made the other one by killing his BTS formation ... Heavy casualties (about 80% ... for both side!) Turn : 4 IW : 0 goals Gue'senshi : 2 goals (BTS, They shall not pass) ?- 3rd battle : Black Templars This time, I set up a non-mechanized grenadiers company, but with fire-support platoon. Deployed them in garison in some mid-board ruins where they made a very good "ZOC job", frightening my opponent. Time given to support formation for cripple him, before a final assault that gave me victory ... Turn : 3 BT : 0 goals Gue'senshi : 2 goals (Take and Hold, They shall not pass) brief analysis coming later ... hope there are not too much translation mistakes ... let me know soon

Author:	Nerroth [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:51 am ]
Post subject:	Gue'senshi AAR
I'm sorry I haven't been able to give the post a proper response, I'll try to get to it when I can. Thanks again for playing with the list! Gary

Author:	v_guesne [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:35 am ]
Post subject:	Gue'senshi AAR
don't be sorry I didn't post any kind of analysis ... had a lot of work this week and as translation take me some time ... I'll try to post it soon (maybe Thursday)

Author:	v_guesne [ Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:55 am ]
Post subject:	Gue'senshi AAR
I only played 1000 pts games, so there weren?t ?any heavy formations and this can alterate the relevance of this analysis ? and the first one is that, as I didn?t expected any lack of firepower with this army, I played Grenadiers with IG Stormtrooper profile ? - stingrays squadron : As long as you provide some pre-targeting via markerlight units, this formation can deliver real hard long-range firepower ? far much than 3 imperial artillery !! And, with their mobility, you can also if needed go grab/contest objectives giving the same time quite good short-range firepower ? but with their not-so-efficient armor, you?ll need a strike-team to clean the zone as they won?t hold against any strike-back ! - grenadier airborne company : ? Jack of all trades ? formation, as good in firepower as in firefight, but not really new, so not much comments about them ? exept perhaps a small list modification (see bottom) - grenadier company : Good formation, as they can garison, even with chimera transport ! Didn?t managed to use them well in mechanized formation, but still believe in their deep-strike capability (?) In un-mechanized formation with fire-support platoon, they made real good zone control job, and finished with a decisive assault. So to sum up : - good firepower - good assault - well (too much ?) rounded army - I dont think Grenadiers really need their free firepower boost, and pay for it will make the formation too expensive ? or try something like ? upgrade X grenadiers to ?heavy grenadier? for X pts ?, but won?t this be redondant with fire-support platoons ? In this case, perhaps restrict these fire-support platoons to infantery companies ? - It could be fun to have markerlight units in airborne grenadier company by adding markerlight platton with valkyrie transport (perhaps too powerfull) or replacing 2 grenadiers by 2 markerlight. Will this be unbalancing or out-of-mood ? Or perhaps, but really not sure about this, give the ?valkyrie transport? option to Grenadier Companies, but I?m afraid that 8 grenadiers, 2 markerlight, 4 firesupport AND 7 valkyries is really too much ? soon Vincent

Author:	v_guesne [ Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Gue'senshi AAR
By the way, I was thinking to a balance problem : In IG list, Stormtroopers are really cheap as they cost about the same thing than Infantry. But you can only take ST in support formations, and you have to take Infantry as core formations and THAT keep the list balanced (on the ST issue ?) If we can now take Grenadiers as core and support formations, nobody will take infantry ? and this is even more real as Kleistian Inf is more expensive than Grenadiers ? ?!!! And the list will be classified unbalanced ? ?!! But I think you already thought about this ? Soon Vincent

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