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House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion

 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:06 pm 
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Well, I sat down and threw this together.  This is my best guess at what the Tau would have looked liked if you converted the 40K units directly to EpicA as accuratly and analy as possible.  Weapon range/damage conversions were made by comparing how similar weapons were converted from 40K to EpicA.  The Tactical space marine was the standard for assault values.  This is Tau ONLY from the 40K codex; there are no forgeworld or new GW Tau.  Only Imperial Guard, and Vanilla Space Marines were used for comparison/contrat/conversion from 40K to EpicA.  All Tau rules, except markeright rules, were derived from the rules available in the core EpicA Downloadable rules.  Swordwind was not used to compare/contrast any units, or rules.

Disclaimer: THIS IS NOT A BALLANCED LIST!  If this plays like a balanced list, then it is a fluke!  This list is NOT meant to compete or replace the main WIP Tau list.  This list is for FUN only, and tries to reprisent what a huge 40K game would look like if you "zoomed out".  This list is NOT what I want to see the final EpicA:Tau list to look like!  

*Phew*  With out further ado, here she is:






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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:08 pm 
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F.A.Q.

Q.  Hey, I downloaded the file, and when I went tried to open it, I got nothing but gibberish.  What gives?
A.  Grrrr, I had to trick this webpage into letting me upload the file as a text file.  This is NOT a .txt file though.  The file is a .rar archive of an excel spreadsheet.  You will need to rename the extension from *.txt to *.rar in order to un-rar it.  Or if you don't want the hassle then just post your email, and I'll send it to you.

Q.  Un-rar it?
A.  The .rar filetype is a compression protocal like .zip.  You can grab WinRAR for free (just google it), or if you don't want the hassle, just post your email, and I will send you the excel worksheet.

Q.  Why are the units layed out by HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack, and Heavy Support?  What does this mean?
A.  This is meant to simulate the standard force organization chart used in Warhammer 40,000.  You have to make a minimum of 1 HQ, and 2 Troops choices, but are limited to a maximum of 2 HQ, 3 Elite, 6 Troops, 3 Fast Attack, and 3 Heavy support per "Cadre".  The idea being that a "Cadre" has a somewhat standard organization with a minimum and maximum size.  This is simulated when you take a Cadre formation in the EpicA list.

Q.  Is the Cadre selection really one large formation?
A.  Yes it is.  The Cadre moves together, and supports all units within it.  Think of it as a Warhammer 40K Tau army that got mysteriously shrunk and teleported to an EpicA battlefield.  Or think of it as the Tau version of a 'Uge! ork mob!  If you want to take more specialized formations then select from the Contingents lists.  You need to at least one Cadre for every 2 contigents.  You can always just take the minimum core selection and an single HQ though to open up whatever you want from the contingents.

Q.  Some of these points seam pretty far off, and this army seams very un-Tauish to me fluff wise.  Did you balance it?
A.  This is not a balanced army.  The points were placed up by comparing them to a similar unit from either the EpicA IG, or Space Marine lists, in a very rough fashion.  But you need some kind of points assignment if you want to throw together a JustForFun game between you and a mate.

Q.  Why are the Contingent formations more expensive than the Cadre upgrades?
A.  The Contingent formations are actually the original points I assigned from the comparison, and are likely the more accurate values.  You get a substantial discout for adding units to the Cadres, in order to make them at least somewhat desirable.  Remember this list is not official, and you can really change anything you like.  I won't take offense, honestly!

Q.  A lot of these units look pretty stong, especially for infantry.  Did you mess this up?
A.  When I was done with the converting, and looked at some of the units, I got a laugh out of it.  Part of the shock comes from the fact that the Codex:Tau only has *two* vehicles available to the whole army, and the rest is all Infantry!  This means that there are some infantry (battlesuits) packing the firepower of a vehicle in the other armies lists.  But when you pay 100pts for one stand, and see you are paying vehicle prices, I guess it sorta evens out :S.

Q.  Why are there no Aircraft of War Engines?
A.  Because there were none in the Codex:Tau.  I could throw in all the ForgeWorld Tau units pretty easily, but I didn't feel like putting much effort into something that was just for fun.  And after all, this list is supposed to be a direct WH40K early Tau simulation in EpicA!

Q.  Why are you up at 4am posting on EpiComms.
A.  Good question, probably the same reason I am posting a crazy list, and answering my own FAQ's :80: Insomnia FTW....

Cheers. :D






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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:25 pm 
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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:57 pm 
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Thanks Nerroth.  If you get a chance to check out the list, let me know.  I think this goes a long way to show that a direct 40K to epic conversion, with very little twiddling makes for a very strange list indeed.  Like I said, when I was done converting all the 40K units, and I looked at the end result, I started laughing.  Some stuff just looks absurd.

By the way, has anyone been able to download and view the list?  And Cybershadow, is there anyway that I can post it as a regular .rar (10KB), or .xls (47KB)  file?






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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:17 pm 
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Quote (RedDevil @ 08 Dec. 2005 (20:57))
By the way, has anyone been able to download and view the list?

I have.  Not really looked at it yet though.

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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:11 pm 
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Hi RedDevil,

I have had a read of the list.  I have to admit I had a few giggles too.

I am not a 40K player (though vaguely familiar with the rules), which is why i was never terribly hung up on trying to mirror how 40K stats say things should work.

Reading your list did give me some useful insight I believe.  I think that if all the armies were "ported" over from 40k like that, we would find that the abstraction involved would result in a lot of the Epic units having rather similar stats. (And a plethora of fiddly special rules)

Which is why it is important to emphasis the character of each army throught the stats and rules created for them in Epic.  Such as the Tau boost to shooting and detraction from FF.

I think it is important to appreciate the difference between a skirmishing force and main battle force.  Not just in organisation, but also in tactics and even distribution of equipment.

An interesting exercise RedDevil. :)


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 Post subject: House Rules: 40K to Epic Tau Conversion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:53 pm 
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Yeah, the part that really hurt was when you did accurate range conversions, you end up with so many 15cm weapons, which are totally usless.  I gave all heavy weapons a shooting stat, and normal weapons one too if they had a special effect in 40K.  Burst cannons, and every 3xPulse rifles are just Heavy Bolters, but both with shorter ranges.  The Missile Pod is really just an autocannon, but with Heavy Bolter range.  Plasma is the same as Storm Trooper plasma.  The only ranged weapons in the whole army end up being on the broadsides, and Hammerheads.  

On the Epic field you end up with an army that is really up close and in your face, and feels very strange if you're used to standoff with your 40K Tau.

On the bright side, you can now write up your usual 40K Tau army as a single cadre, and throw it into a Firefight!  A whole 40K game with one die roll, woooh!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:26 pm 
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Quote (RedDevil @ 08 Dec. 2005 (20:57))
And Cybershadow, is there anyway that I can post it as a regular .rar (10KB), or .xls (47KB) ?file?

Try to RAR file now.  :;):
I have not looked at this, but I will certainly give a look over.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:08 am 
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Still tells me this is not an exceptable file type.  Oh well.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:23 am 
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Quote (RedDevil @ 09 Dec. 2005 (23:08))
Still tells me this is not an exceptable file type. ?Oh well.

Really? The extension is .rar... right? PDFs can be post, if that helps.

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