Hmm, very interesting comments Onyx. So in avoiding the use of GM, did the army still *feel* Tau-ish?

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Well Railguns and missile pods are as Tau-ish as GM's   .

I really like using GM's but I don't like relying on fragile units to keep the missiles flying. Maybe it's just me. Of course there is the usefulness of the high speed of Tetras which I enjoy but I don't want to depend on them to fight, more to be in the right place at the right time.

Thanks for the Batrep Mephiston. Those Terminators had no luck at all!!!

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The reason it hasn't been put forth is because, the current v5 list means you don't need to have an "armoured list" for Tau!  You can do it with the current list.

It's just that the people in the "peer review", how many there were, were "TacComm outsiders" and they all seem to have made that same comment, that the AMHC seemed out of place... and, I'm only assuming this, these people weren't the "Neuter the Tau!" crowd that TacComm Tau players often seem to think post here.

It's not that "Almost every other army can do a tank army" that's the issue, it's that the current Tau list allows you to create a *very effective* all-armour army... most of the other lists suffer from such a focus, the Tau do not.

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I'd hardly call Mephiston a "TacComm outsider".

It's not that "Almost every other army can do a tank army" that's the issue, it's that the current Tau list allows you to create a *very effective* all-armour army... most of the other lists suffer from such a focus, the Tau do not.

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Regardless of whether the Hammerheads are Cadre or Support, I'm coming around to the opinion that it should be one or the other, not both.

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I didn't notice a list of people on the "peer review", I thought Honda has said it involved a lot of "non-TacComm" people.

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I think the peer review went out to quite a few people - including experienced taccoms members who aren't heavily involved in the tau discussions

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Onyx, you mentioned you are in support of a Armored Tau list IF it existed on paper, but how can it exist if we don't give it room to exist?  Chroma is right.

I understand your frustration - I sold my entire army for about half its value mainly because I didn't believe the list would ever get balanced in a reasonable time.  THAT is frustration you haven't known.  Now there were other issues at play as well, but my point is that we are all frustrated with the Tau (lack of) development.  At some point, something has to give.

Removing Armored Cadres from the core formations doesn't mean you can't ever play them again - it just means playing your list differently.  Comments like this...

There really is no argument about it either. Just about any race can do the same thing that Tau can here (Pred's, Leman's, Gun Wagonz etc are ALL core Formation units). Move on, find something else to gripe about. This isn't an issue.

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To me, that statement alone is the most telling indictment of the current list... Fire Warriors a "weakness", when they should be the frontline, effective troops of the Tau.

I also don't want to have to take a Manta or AX-1-0 every game but with the removal of the Moray, there isn't enough choice in the list to allow for this. It looks like they must be taken every game.

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Indeed, it does help it to such a degree that it allows you to ignore enemy's CC capability altogether. At that point I'm hesitant to call it a weekness anymore.

To me, that statement alone is the most telling indictment of the current list... Fire Warriors a "weakness", when they should be the frontline, effective troops of the Tau.

Just to let you know that I am listening and absorbing all the comments.

However, this needs to be very clear. There will be no debate on "who" was in the Peer review. It is irrelevant to the discussion. You will just have to accept that those in the review were a balanced group of players, whose gaming skills I acknowledge as to the level where they can recognize the implications of what is being attempted by the list and make reasoned comments.

I will work to collect the various points brought up and address them.

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This is my feeling as well.

I prefer the smaller size as I could cram them in a Manta if I ever felt the need, but they do seem pretty redundant at his point.  We don't have a large/small Crisis or FW, why Hammerheads?

Where is this armoured list? It doesn't exist escept in a few hopeful minds.

Nice batrep,

The air caste units are one of the biggest changes at this point.  How did they feel?  Was the firepower appropriate for the AX-1-0?

It looks like you didn't have trouble getting units marked for your Stingray and Scorpoionfish, was that the case?

Did the all-skimmer nature of your list hamper your SMs assault effectiveness?

I probably would (since when have tau tanks 'flown') - and it would save a lot of the pain regarding core AMHC in the current discussion

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Not that I favor the approach, but if you wanted the Tau tanks to be able to avoid terrain checks but not pop up or force FF, Jump Packs would be the answer.

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