I think the Manta is considered the "monster"... monster points for monster shots?  

I agree that perhaps the Hero should at minimum be more like 175 points.

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E&C has the same stats on his Cruiser in the Ad Mech list and no one is complaining about it there.

Chroma - you had a game where the orbital suppport was both very lucky (getting a critical on the Thunderhawk) and effective and that seems to have be the catalyst for this thread. They are not usually that effective. It should be noted that the Marines still won that game.

There are so many times when one of the shot misses or only does 1 point of damage.

150pts for a one shot wonder is good value (when it works) but it's hardly broken or needing correction.

Again, this just seems a storm in a teacup.

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There's enough "on-board" TK that the Ad Mech cruiser is probably never taken.

For Tau, there's a sparsity of TK.  And, yes, my recent experiences are what prompted this, as I'd never bothered to check out the Tau spacecraft before as I wasn't planetfalling anything... when I saw *two* TK attacks for 150 points I was sold!

There are so many times when one of the shot misses or only does 1 point of damage.

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"When it works?" You've two attacks on 2+ doing D3 hits. You should expect a minimum of 2DC and an average of 3-4DC removed from superheavies.

Unless you are very unlucky, you should expect to splat an unshielded Warhound easily. That's 250 points back there and the fact that you can reach out and touch anything is very valuble, plus it can pad out your activations.

The AMTL cruiser is undercosted too. I'm telling you, with 2x pinpoints, 225 points (admittedly with 1+ initative) seems cheap. I would say 200 points, easy with initative 2+ (without retaining, you can expect to have your spacecraft turn up when you want 5 games out of 6).

I would say the easier thing in this case is just to drop it to 1 Pin-Point attack.

1 Pin-Point and the ability to planetfall seem useful enough on its own.

Keep that @ 150 or maybe down to 125.

It would also be easier to play.  Problem with upping to 200 points is that it makes it harder on someone who just wants to Planetfall their Orca even when they know they won't need the TK.

And, even without "slow-and-steady", the Hero is still superiour to the more expensive Custodian.

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LOL!! One aircraft with TK that can be easily shot down does not equate to lots of monster TK....

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Each Tiger Shark only has one TK shot, Neal.  At least that's what it says in my v5.0.

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A formation of Tiger Sharks has 2 planes.

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So where's the "4 shots" come in?!?  *laugh*  I take it you meant over multiple turns...

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The two for 350 was discussed at length in the Tau Air Caste thread. Essentially dropping the idea of the AX-1-0 being a WE meant there needed to be two a/c and 350 was chosen to get above the 333 point and having three such formations per 3000 point game.

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Well in 5.0 they are two WE DC2 bombers for 350 points. Something got lost in translation!

Honda has already acknowledged the mistaken stats for the AX-1-0 in V5.

Ginger is right.

I can see a small argument to increase the cost of the Hero to 175pts because of the ability to Planetfall units. I don't see any argument to increase them past that cost.

So many times, I've fired the Hero at a Super Heavy Tank Company and just damaged 2 shadowswords and nothing else (or missed one completely). It simply is not a game changing/breaking unit.

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