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(Gue'senshi) AV/WE Lander?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:27 pm 
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I think he's going for an enforced restriction on it from the fluff perspective rather than 'because it's an advantage in game'.

I don't see why a Manta couln't be outfitted to drop V&Vs, but there's also the 'proposal', which I don't think has been mentioned yet, that the Tau may have 'tampered' with the Gue'senshi designs to make 'folding wing' Valkyries and Vultures, so they can fit in the hold of the Manta, but they just slip out, fall slightly and correct their wing shape to go aerodynamic again.

Seems a simply solution I guess.

As for how to model this appropriately in Epic, allow anything dropping 'inside' a Manta to be in addition to the standards allowances.

So if your army could only take 4-Grenadiers(don't recall how this all works offhand, so forgive me), you can take an extra deployment so long as their Valkyries deploy from the 'spaces' inside the Manta(the Manta can't carry any tank hulls whilst dropping etc).

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:26 pm 
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Quote (Xisor @ 04 Dec. 2005 (17:27))
I think he's going for an enforced restriction on it from the fluff perspective rather than 'because it's an advantage in game'.

I got that part, I was just saying that from a fluff point of view that I didn't think you would get Mantas carrying V&V's on table in game terms.  (Hmm... that's still about as clear as mud but I think we might be agreeing?)

I don't see why a Manta couln't be outfitted to drop V&Vs, but there's also the 'proposal', which I don't think has been mentioned yet, that the Tau may have 'tampered' with the Gue'senshi designs to make 'folding wing' Valkyries and Vultures, so they can fit in the hold of the Manta, but they just slip out, fall slightly and correct their wing shape to go aerodynamic again.


Now that I can buy.  Has anyone got IA3 to hand to do a size comparison?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:57 pm 
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Funnily enough, such an idea was part of my modelling of the Valks in my Epic army - if you check out the picture of the V+Vs in the Pics topic, you'll see the Valkyrie on the ground has it wings straight - instead of the usual wing angle.

Regarding transport, each Valk can carry 2 stands of Grenadiers (think of the Grenadiers as the equivalent of Storm Troopers, the Kleistian Infantry as carapace-armoured Guardsmen-equivalent) so 4 fold-winged Valks with the formation of 8 Grenadiers on board would do...

Question is, what about the Vultures, should I allow another Manta to drop them too?

EDIT: In game terms, Valks and Vultures move as skimmers, and are designed as effective first strike vehicles, with one-shot barrage (Valkyrie) and one-shot AT missiles (Vultures), capable of dropping an Airborne Grenadier Company into an assault and supporting it in combat, or claiming an important objective for the Greater Good...

If a FW+Devilfish Cadre - or a Crisis cadre, for that matter - can be dropped int othe thick of things via Manta, so could the ?lite of the Gue'senshi, along with their allied Tetra and Piranha teams...


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