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Rewording the Knight Shield
dysartes	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:37 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:16 pm Posts: 908	OK - having tried it out in a couple of games now, I'm fairly happy with how the Knight Shield is working. However, the way the rules are wording is fairly cumbersome, as shown below: 1.1.1 ? Knight Shield The smaller Knights benefit from a powerful directional energy field, strong enough to withstand the heaviest Titan-grade weaponry. This shield gives a Knight a 4+ saving throw, which may be taken against any  attack. Make a single saving throw per hit with a Titan Killer weapon, rather than one for each point of damage. If the unit has the Reinforced Armour ability, then it may reroll it?s save using its standard save, unless struck by Lance, Macro-Weapon or Titan Killer hits. A Knight may not use its shield in two circumstances: 1, Against CC attacks 2, When suffering crossfire The simplest way of rewriting it I can think of is to say it is a 4+ invulnerable save, which may be taken unless the Knight unit is cross-fired or being struck with close combat attacks. Anyone have any other suggestions? _________________ The forgotten Champion - AMTL, baby! Dysartes.com - Resources for the Modern Wargamer - Last updated: December 2004 - Next Update: In Progress Sentinels are just young titans that haven't grown up yet!

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Jaldon	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:36 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.	Actually I like the simplier 4+ Invulnerable save, with the two restrictions, over the first version presented as easier to understand. Just my two cents Jaldon _________________ Brave sir Robin, when danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled, Brave sir Robin.
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nealhunt	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:25 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	Um... invulnerable saves are in addition to armor saves, not instead of. The only change I would make to the draft language above would be to specify that the knight shield save is taken instead of the normal armor save.  I know it's implied, but it needs to be stated explicitly. _________________ Neal
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Lord Inquisitor	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:49 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:20 pm Posts: 1216 Location: Norfolk VA USA	The smaller Knights benefit from a powerful directional energy field, strong enough to withstand the heaviest Titan-grade weaponry. The shield gives the Knight a 4+ saving throw that may be taken instead of its normal save against any attack, including Titan Killer. If the Knight has Reinforced armour, it may re-roll using its standard save, if permitted a re-roll from the attacking weapon. A Knight shield may not be used against CC attacks or when caught in crossfire. ... How about that? I don't think the 'make a single saving throw per hit' thing really needs to be in there (it just complicates things for little actual point), and I've cut down the amount of text somewhat.
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dysartes	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:21 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:16 pm Posts: 908	Just to remind people with concerns about the Knight Shield wording that I am looking at rewording it. I think a lot of the problems with the current version arise from the fact that I used the Holofield rules from the Eldar as a base for the Knight Shield, which explains the reference to Lance weapons, IIRC. LI - that looks like a smoother way of wording it - any holes anyone wants to pick in it? _________________ The forgotten Champion - AMTL, baby! Dysartes.com - Resources for the Modern Wargamer - Last updated: December 2004 - Next Update: In Progress Sentinels are just young titans that haven't grown up yet!
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ortron	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:55 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:48 pm Posts: 681 Location: Australia	G'day fellas Just a quick question.. if the knight shield is a directional thing, would it work against barrage weapons, since you could assume targets under a barrage are being hit from multiple dirrections/blasts? Don't mean to be difficult.. just curious
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dysartes	Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:29 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:16 pm Posts: 908	If it doesn't say it doesn't work, then it does. _________________ The forgotten Champion - AMTL, baby! Dysartes.com - Resources for the Modern Wargamer - Last updated: December 2004 - Next Update: In Progress Sentinels are just young titans that haven't grown up yet!
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Tactica

Post subject: Rewording the Knight Shield Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:49 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

D, Alright, I'll give this a go... 1.1.1 ? Knight Shield The smaller Knights benefit from a powerful directional energy field, strong enough to withstand the heaviest Titan-grade weaponry. This shield gives a Knight a 4+ saving throw, If invulnerable, that's in addition to the normal armor saves. That does not sound like what we are after here. ?As NH pointed out, this save sounds like its instead of the normal armor save. Also as NH said, that should be clarified. which may be taken against any ?attack.

Attack = allocated hit? Attack is not a defined term, allocated hit is.

Make a single saving throw per hit with a Titan Killer weapon, rather than one for each point of damage.
This is an immediate segway to Titan Killer weaponry. It doesn't flow real well when reading about the other weaponry.

If the unit has the Reinforced Armour ability,
The unit with the Knight shield or some other unit?

then it may reroll it?s _save_ using its standard save,
Reroll which save? The knight shield save or the regular armor save?

unless struck by Lance, Macro-Weapon or Titan Killer hits.

Hmm... seems like there's a better way to phrase this without referencing other special rules. Refrerencing other special rules means you are limiting the shield and not making it future proof. I'd consider revising.

A Knight may not use its shield in two circumstances:
1, Against CC attacks
2, When suffering crossfire

This seems like a long way to say: Knight Shield has no effect against hits allocated from a crossfire or ?from base to base close combat hits. Therefore, I would propose the following rewrite of the Knight Shield rule, based upon my above understanding of the way the Knight shield is supposed to work...