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Religus Tech guard list V1.1
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Author:  ragnarok [ Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:11 pm ]
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Well after a bit of asking around I managed to get a PDF printer that makes files of a decent size and thus am able to show the tech guard list that goes with the legio vesta list I posted before Christmas (which reminds me to put in the updates).

This means I only have the Ordo reductor list (a super heavy artillery train) to finalise before it is all done.

Each list is designed to be stand alone but can take allies from the other two, with restrictions as follows:

50%+ by points must be spent on the core list

upto 50% can be spent on the first ally but you can't take any 0-1 restrictions

for example a tech guard list can't take the Imperator titan, or have a titan legate as a supreme commander

upto 25% can be spent on the second ally. ?The allies force organisation chart is ignored, but no restricted troops can be taken.

In this example if the titan legion was taken as the second ally then the legate and imperator titan cannot be used (being 0-1 choices) nor can the warhawk scout titan since it is restricted by the number of warhound packs you have. ?However warhound packs and Forge guards can be taken without first purchasing a battle titan.

Since you are buying from upto 3 lists the restricted choices are either 0-1, to represent really rare things, or limited by other choices, such as the number of Magos you can take. ?This is to avoid any confusion that might arise if they were limited by number of points.

EDIT: version 1.4 on next page.  I'll keep both versions until I add a change log to the file.
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:16 am ]
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I'm glad to see someone finally posted a Tech Guard list. I hope someone is working on a Knight List.

I like it so far, Rag.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:34 am ]
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Wow someone who knows something about Late Roman armies :)

What abaout calling the Praetorian Cohort  Palatinae Cohort instead?:)
Author:  ortron [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:34 am ]
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Mate that looks pretty cool at first glance..

My 2cents, I'd ditch the storm troopers as they're more IG. Keep the Valks but chuck skitarii in them. Also you could look at an improvement to the skitarii stats. Reason: well in 40k they would actually have a betterchance of survival than stormtroopers but slightly less effective in firefight due to slightly lower balistic skill. Now i know we don't have to copy 40k 100% but i think skitarri could easily justify being Speed:15cm, Armour:5+, CC: 5+ & FF 5+.

Like the praetorian concept so far!

Would you include the standard types of Leman Russ tank also?

Finally how about including some old school robots? although i suppose these could "count as" praetorians.

Good start!
Author:  ragnarok [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Religus Tech guard list V1.1
Sorry BL. ?I'm not that hot on the late roman army. ?I only know what Rome: total war barbarian invasion taught me (so I'm assuming that it isn't that correct ?:p )

I like the new name for the Praetorian I'll change that in my master copy ready for the next update.

Do you know any names for the storm troopers, I'm looking for something along the lines of heavy scouts.

Orton: ?I'm basing a lot of the infantry in the list from the tech guard in dark apostle. ?They seem to have a decent enough range firepower but fail in close combat due to being slow.

The Praetorians in it are almost on par with terminators, thus the blend of terminator and Ogryn stats. ?I was tempted to give them a MW CC attack but thought it would make them too good.

The storm troopers are in it due to a reference to tech guard which still have a lot of independent thought processes (rather than the semi servitors that filled the rest of the ranks) and were used in similar roles as IG storm troopers (where they don't need commands from a magos or enginseer).

I am only having the executioner leman Russ variant because this is a Ryza founded forge world, thus the mass amount of plasma and lacking in volcano cannons. ?I might introduce them in the Cataphractii upgrade (3 executioners or normal leman Russes).

EDIT:  In keeping with the idea that tech guard armies keep marching on in perfect unison I was thinking of giving the executioner command tank and either of the tanks in the Clibinarii cohort (players choice) leader.  Does anyone think that this would be too overpowered?
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:13 pm ]
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Ah a Rome: Total War plaxer too :D

The Support Chohort i would call Lanciarii Cohort.

Cataphractii and Clibinarii should be Ala and not Cohort.
Cohort is Infantry and Ala is Cavalry (= Tanks :D )

Hmm Scouts...Equites Ala perhabs? But this would be for your Scout Maniple.

I can't remember of something as Scout Infantry in the late Roman Empire but i will look something up.
Perhabs Plumbatae? This where Comitatenses armed with a couple of lead weigted darts. These where used in skirmishs.
Author:  ragnarok [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:35 pm ]
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I know that cav should be ala, and are in the upgrades, but not the main formations.  I'll better change formations to ala and maniple in upgrades and support formations.

I've looked at a glossary website and found the following names

Scorpionarius as in the scorpian style catapult for th support units

Eques speculator -  mounted scouts for the scout formation

Allectus maniple -  elite maniple for the storm troopers

Just need to find a latin name for the hydra unit and formation
Author:  BlackLegion [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:47 pm ]
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Scorpio would be the catapult Scorpionarius the guy who operates it.
What about Sagitarii? This where Roman archers :)

And i found out that Ala woud be a bit wrong.

The whole Regiment/Regiments = Legio/Legiones
Infantry Company/Companies = Cohors/Cohortes
Infantry Platton/Platoons = Manipulus/Manipulae
Vehicle Company/Companies = Turma/Turmae
Vehicle Squadron/Squadrons = Ala/Alae
Cohors speculatorum would be an Infantry Scout Company
Turma speculatorum would be a Vehicle Scout Company
Cohors equitata would be a Mechanised Infantry Company

And it depents what you see as the elite in the Techguard. The Praetorian Combat Servitors or the Stormtroopers?

The Palatinae (or Palatini) first where the personal bodyguard of the Roman Emperor. Later there was an entire legion directly commanded by the Emperor and was called Comitatenses Palatini.  Perhabs this is a good name for the Stormtroopers?

Palatini for the Praetorian formation and Comitatenses Palatini for the Stormtrooper formation?
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:59 pm ]
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Why the obsession with Roman designations?  :D
Author:  BlackLegion [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Religus Tech guard list V1.1
GW started it with naming the Techguard Skitarii :)
Which is utterly wrong it should be Scutarii from Scutum the roman shield :D
But then a Scitum is an adjudication and a Scitus is an edict. Does this fit better?
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:31 pm ]
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(BlackLegion @ Jan. 03 2008,16:01)
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GW started it with naming the Techguard Skitarii :)

Good point. Call me old school, but I still call them Tech Guard.  :laugh:
Author:  ragnarok [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:52 pm ]
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(Dwarf Supreme @ Jan. 03 2008,21:31)
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(BlackLegion @ Jan. 03 2008,16:01)
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GW started it with naming the Techguard Skitarii :)

Good point. Call me old school, but I still call them Tech Guard. ?:laugh:

For some reason I always want to call the normal rank and file tech guard tech guard and the storm troopers Skitarri.

BL: on the naming front I'm tempted to go the GW way and do it all wrong. ?:D

tank formations will stay as ala (I thought that Ala was the legio/cohort equivilent for cav since it ment wing, which seems like a large number)

upgrades will be Maniples, as well as some of the support formations.

I'll take Turma speculatorum ?for the scout formation since it is shorter than what I had.

I'm also going to keep Limitanei for the non mechanised infantry. ?since they can garrison and are thus on the frontier

and Comitatenses for the mechanised infantry, to represent them being the mobile reseverse.

Still not sure about the support units. ?I like the name Sagitarii, but it doesn't quite fit with the heavy weapons they deploy (though that shouldn't stop me since I am using GW logic).

EDIT:  So what do popele think of the list, or is it a good sign that we are dealing with unit names and not their stats?
Author:  BlackLegion [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:40 pm ]
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It is a good sign :)
Author:  ragnarok [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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(BlackLegion @ Jan. 03 2008,22:40)
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It is a good sign :)

Better rock the boat then ?:D

I'm renaming the forgeworld Regulus (since Religus sounds too much like religious), or more corrctly Regulus ?Vii.

The support weapons unit is to be called Sagitarii and the maniple a scorpio maniple.

Shadowswords are being removed from the Clibinarii maniple and are now their own support maniple
Gastrapheta maniple 150pts for one shadowsword and they are 0-1 per Clibinarii ala.

So they are discounted compared to the other super heavies but y have to buy a super heavy company for each one you have.

valkyries have had their missile pods replaced with hellstrike missiles.

This is because the main objective of the Allectus maniple is taking out enemy artillery positions.

the other reason for the last two changes is that the list is defined by its lack of TK weapons and having no barrage weapons.

Forcing it to take Ordo reductor or legio Vesta allies to fill these gaps.

I'm also working on a simplier allie system. ?Possible something along the lines of:

upto 33% of the army may be taken from a single other Regulus list. ?Any normal core and support formation restrictions are removed, however no restricted formations may be taken.

EDIT: the storm trooper formation is now a Palatinae maniple and the units are Allectus (what is the plural of that? :confuse: )
Author:  BlackLegion [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:46 pm ]
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Allecti :)
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