(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 12 2008,17:41)
QUOTE And small note - Ordinatus will always be common in this list as it stands as they are simply a titan weapon platfrom. In that fashion they detract from the titans. Taking them is math rather than tactics.
Perhaps you could offer a suggestion as to a form you think would work?
This is refered to as 'putting your money where your mouth is'. Sadly I'm broke 
If I knew I would have said by now. Two approaches - cover an area the titans don't have, or cover an area they do cheaper, freeing them up to do something else. Either approach can effectively become compulsory for an army selection sadly 
They were before big shadowsword, big rt battery and big something else.
Maybe they could have 'auru's'? Something like all Titans within 30cm get +1 void shield regeneration? Allow the accurate plotting of a Battleship strike? (That would be fun.) So the ordinatus are massively engineered with their specifc task, this could be the ones done for titans in the past. Less offensive (titans yo), more supportive?
Anyone got a radical idea? For a skit army the current approach is quite good as they don't have as many titans, but anyone else? Sadly I'm more of a civil servant thasn original thinker.
Would you consider the Plasma Cannon if it had a bump to 60cm, and was moved to the +50pts bracket?
I'm wondering if the big gun should again be non Reaver, in effect having one plasma weapon per titan
In 40k, when the Reaver Titan is released, plasma weapons will be available to the following:
Plasma Blastgun - Warhounds, Battle Titans (Carapace only)
Plasma Cannon - Reaver Titan arm weapon only
Plasma Destructor - Warlord Titan arm weapon only
However, applying such a limitation means that we must demand that people cut the weapons off of their painted titans.
Well 50 points means its up against the VC. Instant kill and anti WE verses more hits turns 1 and 3? Hard to call.
One way to do it is just list 'plasma' as the weapon type. Say this legion does x to the reactor and the firepower depends on this unique linkage.
So on a Warhound it has x effect, on a reaver y and on a warlord z?
Certainly I wouldn't be taking it on a Warlord anytime soon. Does the 45cm one work for people on a Reaver on assault duties? Plasma wise I'm just talking, haven't tried to use 45cm ones, can just see the counters I would do against them.
(Rug @ Apr. 12 2008,17:58)
QUOTE In any army I would be bearing the following points cost per titan weapon in mind
Free weapon/+25 points weapon
Warlord - 181.25 / 206.25
Warhound - 137.5 / 150 (if no mono hounds allowed)
Pack - 125 / 150
Im sorry. What do these numbers actually mean, you have not explained at all! Why hace you simplified some fractions (the Warlord) but left others. Decimals in fractions is really bad maths! What does it actually tell us?
Its just something I bear in mind as currently I see the list as firepower based. I'm looking to get the most shots for the least points. I can't do shields, move, armour, assault value etc etc like blarg tries, however I can look at the cheapest way to get the most weapons out then factor in everything else in my head.
So firepower wise the Warlord has the edge, but will only reach the objectives turn 2 at the earlist so can only be a supporting element if I want a real blitzkrieg thrust etc etc. Equally I can see the Warhound pack is the best way to field TLD, so should I have gatlings/MRL for the battle titans etc etc.
(Rug @ Apr. 12 2008,18:11)
QUOTE Whats the facination with the free MRL!
If an opponent sees that many MRL he'll spread out and then you'll only be able to hit 3 models max, then you'll be wishing you had VMBs! They have a slightly longer range but with terrain a lot of the time it will make little difference?
Ah grasshopper, you forget Titans are two things - firepower platforms and assault beasts.
A spread out enemy hasn't got much of a chance against my all powerful fist of the morning star tea room attack! Ahem.
A big barrage I reckon would keep everything spread out nicely and if you are tip toing at max range to shoot me, more chance of parts of formations being out of range etc.
Range wise makes a big difference as unless you are a skimmer we have to have LoS and a GT battlefield (12 pieces of terrain 6x4) still has fire corridors to dominate.
But heh, I'll only know when I try! Gatlings worked fine, so next up MRL's!
Maybe even mixed with a force of three Warlord titans.
In fact that army (assuming we get AA mounts for titans) would go 3 Warlords, 3 small ordinatus, then either more weapons and 3 lots of sentinels or 3 lots of infantry. And a slow but unstoppable advance! Mwhahaha (well I would only have two and one reaver, get a warhound somewhere etc etc).
Id say a mix of the free weapons would make a very balanced and effective force!
Really? I just want the most firepower. Big handfuls of dice are intimidating
Have you taken into account the extra 5-10cm range reaver mounted weapons have?
Oh yes. 60cm range weapons on Reavers can hit enemy deployment zones (so they can all crowd behind cover instead, hmm, maybe an indrect ordinatus is called for!)!
(Rug @ Apr. 12 2008,18:33)
QUOTE Min/maxing free weapons (of no single type) would have more chance of breaking the list Id of thought. With so many void shields the 25pt leader upgrade might be abusable too.
Single type units are easier to use than multi-role ones. Cunning players will have to show the combined arms problems, I can just do the brute force ones
Leader note does not regen shields.
Would 11 barrage missiles in 3k break the list?
Big Ord (2 Missiles)
Ord (1 Missile)
Ord (" ")
Ord (" ")
Reaver ( 3 ")
Reaver ( 3 ")
Space craft/ Tbolts
Deploy corner to corner!
Well, it would be funny.
Tell the truth i hadn't looked much at the missiles yet. Still have the old mindset of them being weapons for assault titans to fire ont he first turn, or support titans for an impressive alpha strike.
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