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Mechanicus
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:14 pm 
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Here is one link that I found.

http://www.answers.com/topic/adeptus-mechanicus

That's copied from wikipedia - even wikipedia doesn't go into much detail about the Skitarii... And surely if "Some players claim that this title [of Fabricator General] is not unique, however, and that Fabricator General is the rank held of someone who is in charge of any Forge World, as seen in Fanatic Magazine 5, and on the Specialist Games website under the Inquisitor article "Explorator Warbands", and that the position as High Lord is only for the Fabricator General of Mars." then it is true, because GW have actually put it in an article... ???? Ah, the mysteries of wikipedia...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:50 pm 
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Yes, Mech ... you are correct. As a CPT I commanded a Mechanized  Infantry Co. and lead an Air Asslt Plt. as an LT.  A Company is normally commanded by a CPT ... The organization is loosely based on a Roman Centurion commanding a Century of (amazingly) 100 men.  And IIRC, in Roman Rank, a Tribune out ranked a Centurion ... But I may have to check that ... I'm an old soldier, but not that old ! :laugh:  But as always DWWFY !     :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:17 pm 
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A roman Century was 80 men commanded by a Centurion (60 per legion). The First Cohort (the Cohors Prima )of a Legion was bigger then the other 9 Cohorts (800 men, all other where 500 men). The Centurion of the First Century  of the First Cohort (the Primus Pila) was the highest ranked Centurion (in fact the lower the Centurys number the higher ranked the Centurion is).
A Military Tribun (6 per legion)was soemthing of a second in command to the Legatus Legionis (General).

Yes i'm a history buff :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:52 pm 
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Yes, Mech ... you are correct. As a CPT I commanded a Mechanized ?Infantry Co. and lead an Air Asslt Plt. as an LT. ?A Company is normally commanded by a CPT ... The organization is loosely based on a Roman Centurion commanding a Century of (amazingly) 100 men. ?And IIRC, in Roman Rank, a Tribune out ranked a Centurion ... But I may have to check that ... I'm an old soldier, but not that old ! ?:laugh: ? But as always DWWFY ! ?:D

A roman Century was 80 men commanded by a Centurion (60 per legion). The First Cohort (the Cohors Prima )of a Legion was bigger then the other 9 Cohorts (800 men, all other where 500 men). The Centurion of the First Century ?of the First Cohort (the Primus Pila) was the highest ranked Centurion (in fact the lower the Centurys number the higher ranked the Centurion is).
A Military Tribun (6 per legion)was soemthing of a second in command to the Legatus Legionis (General).

Yes i'm a history buff :laugh:

:D Okay, so we know:

1. Companies are normally commanded by a Captain. This could be true for the Skitarii.
2. Tribunes in the Roman army were second in command to the General (The leader of the Legion), yet in the Skitarii, the Tribune is in charge of a Century.
3. Centurions were in charge of Centuries in the Roman Legions, but this may have been replaced by the Tribune. Centuries may not be a company equivalent.

At a guess (Though it would be interesting to look at the organisation of the Roman Legions before redoing this), since I have heard of Skitarii battallions before (In the context of "an entire battallion"), this could be an approximate command structure:

A Skitarii Legion is divided into battallions (perhaps equal to Cohorts in the Roman Legions?) commanded by a Colonel Priest. The Colonel Priest is subordinate to a Magos Mandati who commands the Legion in war, and a Magos Militaris who is a strategist. Each battallion is divided into companies commanded by Captains. Each Company is made up of several Centuries, each made up of 80 men commanded by a Tribune. The tribune of the first Century of each company is known as a Lieutenant and takes command of the Company when the Captain is killed.

How does that sound for an approximate organisation?




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THanks BL ! I won't have to do an online search !  Yes, I remember now, 80 per Century ! I thought a Tribune outranked a Centurion ... just was not sure ... A year or so ago we had a long discussion about Roman Legions ... I must be getting old, to forget all that we discussed ! :D  And Mech,  I think your organization is fine ... work for me !  :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:24 pm 
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OK, this discussion has gone off-topic.  While the organization of Roman Legions is neat and all of that, I wouldn't get too tied up in it because our good friends at GW are too lazy to come up with their own names for AMTL troops.  You know, I rather look forward to the day when GW decides to be innovative by being bland...

Neal -

It looks like most people are pretty open to the idea of seperate lists lists for the Titans, Knights, and Tech Guard.  Since Dysartes, the feared and trusted army champion for the AMTL, is still MIA what is going to be done about this idea for a new direction?

If there is a need for a new AMTL champion I'll make the mistake of putting my name into the hat.

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(Blarg D Impaler @ Jan. 04 2007,14:24)
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It looks like most people are pretty open to the idea of seperate lists lists for the Titans, Knights, and Tech Guard.  Since Dysartes, the feared and trusted army champion for the AMTL, is still MIA what is going to be done about this idea for a new direction?

If there is a need for a new AMTL champion I'll make the mistake of putting my name into the hat.

Your guess is as good as mine on that, Blarg.  I have no idea how things are going to progress, or at what pace.

IMHO, it should go something like this:

1)  Rules review done.  I've been pushing on this as hard as I can without being a complete jerk.  I'm including the core army review in this as well.

2)  Finalize and/or "officialize" several lists that are done or near-done.  Start with the ones that are closest to being ready.  This gets the most material completed in the least amount of time.  Getting them into a "no tweaks for at least a year" form also keeps them from being a constant distraction with respect to new(er) development.

3)  Create a semi-official/house rules section of the Epic website for things that are "done" but for whatever reason aren't official.  Examples might be a Tyranid list completed by Jaldon but not official because the minis aren't released yet, or Moscovian's Dark Eldar list which Jervis just flat out said was never going to be official.  Obviouslym, that includes sorting out a few things that belong in there.

4)  Focus on a handful of the more experimental lists and knock them out.

5)  Re-evaluate and identify the next round of projects.

AMTL would fall in #4.  Champion MIA status would be evaluated as each army came "online" with resepct to development.

Again, imho, I think that given 6 months the Epic community, champions and ERC could come close to doubling the number of official and semi-official lists.  There are, however, a few roadblocks to doing so that don't seem to be moving.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:54 am 
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Point taken ...  Neal you and the Boyz go for it and let's see what you come up with ! :)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:10 am 
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Ok, here are some things I want to know:

Someone mentioned in another forum that there is currently no army champion for this list, is it true?
If it is, someone should take over (no, I don't volunteer).

Also, there is this infamous modular weapons list floating around. I think it is a good house rule but too bulky for an army list. Some people seem to consider it an official add-on to the 2.0 list, but since the army champion didn't declare that, it actually isn't.

Things I remember that should be tested with 2.0:
One-shot Titan weapons (Vortex Missile, Barrage Missile Launcher).

In this thread we're discussing the future of the list. Several people seem to agree that we should focus even more on the Titans and exclude Knights and Ordinati from the list (and incude them in other lists). I second that.

So how is it going now? More playtesting before 3.0 is published? Is there a consent to remove Ordinati and Knights? If so, which units should replace them (probably additional Skitarii units)?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:15 am 
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Personally I'd most prefer to see work done on incorporating different configurations of titans into normal Imperial lists.

Wether than be through fixed configurations (Quite a few are sold via FW after all) or through Modular Weapons (Which I prefer though Jervis only ever intended modular rules to be for non-tournament situations), I don't mind, but incorporating different Titans into the Core rules is the way to go.

It was supposed to happen originally, so why not now.

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Also there has been work to make the text on flame templates better by epilgrim, me and E&C.


Except I still think that disalowing overlaps makes taking two template weapons on a single chassis 100% pointless, I'm fully against that ruling being implemented. :)

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Redsimon:  Dysartes still pokes his head in on occasion.  I wouldn't be keen on taking the list away from him unless he pulls something like Crimson Fury (SMs) and disappears completely.

Dysartes probably posts as much as Francois does on the IG list.  In the absence of noticeable progress in EA development overall, I'm not going to knock either of them for their freqeuncy of posts.

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A KnightWorld armylist is forming in my head. But i need to know the original stats for the Warden, before i can write something down.

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