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Skitarii v1.12

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:27 pm 
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I see four levels of infantry with the admech, Hypaspist to Praetorians to Protectors to Ad Mech assassins. Of course at epic scale the assassin wouldn't really have much effect.

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:30 pm 
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What about something like the Ork Oddboyz.. an ability to swap 1 weapon on a Leman russ company to a test weapon with some silly stats.

Not sure about this, as mounting experimental weapons on STC chassis would be seen as tech-heresy by the AdMech. Rare/test weapons are better suited to experimental or custom platforms as far as the background goes (Ordinatus or smaller weapon mounts) rather than on standard vehicles.

Rhinos are seen as more high-tech by the Imperium as well, hence why they seem to be the transport of choice for more elite forces within the Imperium (marines, sisters, inquisition) rather than the Chimera which is widely available. Apparently 'the technology involved in their construction is too valuable to risk with any but the most trusted organisations' (Imperial Armour I).

As for expanding the infantry options, perhaps an AdMech fire support squad equivalent? Squads of heavy weapon servitors, ranged praetorians, or weapons platforms of one sort or another. Obviously with funky weapons (plasma?) as opposed to simple autocannons.

In order to avoid becoming too minervan, maybe just options for the most high-tech Russ variants (e.g. Executioner, Destroyer) and not the more low-tech ones. These are the ones the AdMech are more likely to keep for themselves, not trusting other Imperial organisations with such advanced tech.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:01 pm 
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About the Ordinatus, it is said that "Select its weapon from the War Gryphons army list(, or the list below)", with no mention of Scout/Battle titan weapons, or arm/carapace only.

I think a short text should be add to explicite if Ordinatus are limited or not to Scout and/or battle titan weapons, and if they can take arm/carapace only weapons (as they have no arm or carapace).


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I wouldn't think it makes any difference as far as arm or carapace weapons go because it's a mobile gun platform which could be rigged in any number of ways to support a weapon of any type.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 pm 
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About the Ordinatus, it is said that "Select its weapon from the War Gryphons army list(, or the list below)", with no mention of Scout/Battle titan weapons, or arm/carapace only.

I think a short text should be add to explicite if Ordinatus are limited or not to Scout and/or battle titan weapons, and if they can take arm/carapace only weapons (as they have no arm or carapace).

Just to note that the intent is that they be allowed to select any weapon system.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:19 pm 
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That is what I've supposed, but it's not clearly said.
And as they have not real carapace system, they can not really take support missiles (which would not be cool).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:37 pm 
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I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller Russ company comprised of the more exotic models, I just feel that a bog standard russ company is a little too like the current guard.


How about this then:

Leman Russ Tank Detachment 400pts

5 Leman Russ Variants from the following list: Standard, Conqueror, Executioner, Exterminator, Tank
Destroyer, Thunderer, Demolisher and Vanquisher. No restrictions apply.

I know in the Minervan List you can a platoon of six tanks for the same price. However none can be "Rare" variants. I figure by dropping it by a tank it would balance out for the "Rare" variants.

I think this should be a Support Choice if the SHT Company is reinstated as a Core Choice. As AM would SHT as a main line force with a support group specialized tanks as flank protection and main line support.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:27 am 
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I could perhaps see Executioner platoon because of the rarity of the weapon system, but I'm not so sure about the others since most are pretty common IIRC. I'm opposed to the SHT coming back to the core list because I think they would be taken over the minorus.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:48 am 
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Good, they should be significantly more common than minoris.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:33 am 
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Hm, but should they really be more common than minoris in an AdMech army? I imagine it that if the AdMech goes to war in this manner, it uses the things that the imperial organisations never get. So, in principle, you are right zombocom, but I think for this army it would be better to leave the SHT in the support role. Or, if core, use variants that are rarely used by the normal imperial guard.

Another possbility would be to call them AdMech SHT variant and give them some cool gimmick like an invulnerable save to distuinguish them from normal SHTs. Or a speed increase because they have better engines. Just some ideas.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:29 am 
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5 Leman Russ Variants from the following list: Standard, Conqueror, Executioner, Exterminator, Tank Destroyer, Thunderer, Demolisher and Vanquisher. No restrictions apply.

Certainly the Thunderer should not be allowed - it is a field conversion of damaged Destroyers and thus not sanctioned by the AdMech. I'd be inclined to dissalow the Exterminator as well. The Conquerer seems like a good one to disallow, but backgroundwise it really should be available as the list is themed around Gryphonne IV (the design was first rediscovered on Gryphonne IV and this is the only forgeworld it is produced in significant numbers).

I'd say Standard, Vanquisher (a 'rare and sophisticated' variant) Destroyer, Executioner, and Conquerer.
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use variants that are rarely used by the normal imperial guard

In terms of the background they are more likely to use Baneblades and Shadowswords rather than anything else - they are the most advanced of the SHT variants and consequently greatly prized by the AdMech. In fact, they shouldn't use Stormswords at all - which was 'originally a field workshop conversion of the Shadowsword... such vehicles are 'unnoficial' and frowned on by the conservative upper echelons of the Adeptus Mechanicus' (Imperial Armour I). I'd say a choice between Baneblade, Shadowsword and Stormblade (plama just screams AdMech to me, and it is an 'official' AdMech variant).
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Another possbility would be to call them AdMech SHT variant and give them some cool gimmick like an invulnerable save to distuinguish them from normal SHTs. Or a speed increase because they have better engines. Just some ideas.

This might be an idea - its also supported by the background, which states that there are increasing numbers of 'second generation' Baneblades in use that are inferior to the 'true' Baneblades constructed at Mars and other favoured Forgeworlds with access to all the STC data. The 'true' versions have superior weapons, 'improved internal armour bracing, greater engine performance and transmission' and other secondary systems vastly better than the 'second generation' vehicles.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:30 pm 
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Zobo, I don't think the list should end up feeling like IG with a few funky units and I think that putting SHTs back to core causes the list to loose flavor. I see the Minorus and Majoris as the iconic units of the force and while I think the majoris should be pretty rare as it usually takes weapon systems that are one of a kind named after a particular forgeworld, I don't see any reason for the minorus to be the same outside of spotty background information which seems to plague most of the AdMech fluff. I don't think that the minorus should be any more rare than titan are in the list since they are in effect a platform with a titan weapon and a few void shields strapped on.

Red, I think that if you have that the conqueror LR should replace the standard one. It might be interesting to just have the platoon start out as conquerors and then allow upgrades to executioner. I'd leave out the standard and vanquisher as these then encroach on the Heavy Tank Co load outs.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:55 pm 
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Every piece of background I know of has ordinatus as incredibly rare, much rarer than titans.

Frankly, a tech guard list SHOULD be mostly guard with a few add-ons.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:01 pm 
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zombocom wrote:
Every piece of background I know of has ordinatus as incredibly rare, much rarer than titans.

All that background is mainly about the Ordinatus "Majoris", as they're now called, those are certainly rare, but I think there's very little text on the "Minoris"... heck, where are they even from, I know it's a BL book, but which one?


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Which ordinatus, the majoris or minorus and does it say they are rare or just rarely mentioned? Mostly guard with a few addons is boring though. I might as well go paint my steel legion red and take a bunch of SHT with a titan for support and not bother with a specific skitarii list.

Chroma: I believe that the minorus is mentioned in the novel Dark Apostle. interestingly enough here's a quote from the book: "In between the ranks of Martian foot-soldiers were tracked crawlers, one for every phalanx. They were Ordinatus Minoris crawlers, and each was the lengh of three Leman Russ battle tanks."

That doesn't strike me as rare.

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