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Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22
Jaldon	Post subject: Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:29 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.	Changes for Tyranid v7.0 Spawning Rule (Comments) This is a total re-hash of Spawning, and we have been messing with it for awhile now and I do like the results thus far. It does remove the ?Majic Wand? effect of an army appearing out of nowhere in an instant, while at the same time it allows the Nid Army to keep its numbers up. Now that is all fine and dandy in my home group, but this rule is going to need a broader, more across the board, testing before I?ll be happy with it. THE RULE IN BRIEF Spawning now occurs in the Rally Phase, and all swarms led by a Synapse Creature Group get to spawn. A maximum of ONE myecetic spore can be added to each spawning action taken. Each Synapse Creature Group has a base Spawning ability, they are...... Lesser Synapse Node: 1D6 Greater Synapse Node/Harridan/Tyranid Warriors: 1D6+2 Vituperator/Hive Tyrant: 1D6+4 Dominatrix: 1D6+6 Army List Changes (Comments) The reduction in WE costs has been long overdue, and will definitely help ?beef up? the Nid army across the board. I would rather do this then increase per unit capability. I do agree the Termagaunt is worth 15pts, but the Ravener for 30pts and 5+ armor I am not so sure about. I agree the Ravener compared to Termagaunts and Hormagaunts makes it look as if it should be twice their costs, however it may not work as well army wide. If it doesn?t then either we drop it back to 25pts or increase its armor to 4+ and keep it at 30pts. For now we will try 30pts. I have changed both the Lesser and Greater Synapse Nodes stats, this allows me to drop the Greater to 75pts and maybe will get them back on the table (see unit data for changes). THE NEW POINTS COSTS Harridan 225pts Greater Synapse Node 75pts Lesser Synapse Node 50pts Vituperator 325pts Hierophant 250pts Hydraphant 350pts Termagaunt 15pts Ravener 30pts Unit Data Changes (Comments) The first change is rather minor, I am going to insert the ?real? name of the Nid SHTs and AVs into brackets next to the ?A? and ?B? designations. This is so if JJ puts the thumb down on one of them it will be easier to move them over to the OOP section. The Genestealers are going back to CC4+ as it is true they are too powerful at CC3+. Hierodule ?A? is fine as it stands, I think, but Hierodule ?B? needed a fix, so I want to try these stats for it. The Lesser Synapse Node is too vulnerable under the new spawning rule so I ?beefed? it up a bit. UNIT DATA CHANGES Greater Synapse Node: Drop its DC to ?2?, and it can now teleport anywhere into the Tyranid table half. Lesser Synapse Node: Change it to armor 4+, and from LV to AV. Genestealers: Change them from CC3+ to CC4+ Haruspex ?A? IS (Haruspex) Haruspex ?B? IS (Malefactor) Carnifex ?A? IS (Carnifex) Carnifex ?B? IS Venomfex Hierodule ?A? IS (Hierodule) Hierodule ?B? IS (Trygon) also drop the Trygons +1 FF attack and change it to having 2xBio-Cannons. Ravener: armor 5+ and infiltrator Jaldon _________________ Brave sir Robin, when danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled, Brave sir Robin.
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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:27 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	What - I've played Space Hulk! A Genestealer with a 4+ - how will I shred all the terminators! _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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ragnarok	Post subject: Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:26 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:43 pm Posts: 2084 Location: Reading, England	I like the direction that these changes are going in.  Not too sure about the GSN teleport restrictions, seems like an extra rule that we don't really need. With the spawning, if it works well this way.  Would it be possible to play around with each warrior stand having D3 spawning (thus a group would be 3D3).  They get a better average roll than the Harridan and the GSN, but it is also more varied.  Also the death of warrior stands will effect the groups spawning ability. Finally, I still think we should have three "Hierodules", barbed, scythed and trygon, but if we had to only have 2 then I would prefer barbed and tyrgon. _________________ Tyranid air marshal
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Chroma	Post subject: Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:10 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (ragnarok @ 17 April 2006 (14:26)) Finally, I still think we should have three "Hierodules", barbed, scythed and trygon, but if we had to only have 2 then I would prefer barbed and tyrgon. Technically, if this is the "Hamman's World" Tyranid invasion, teh Barbed Hierodule didn't yet exist, according to Imperial Armour. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Jaldon

Post subject: Nid v7.0 List changes from v6.22 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:36 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.

With the spawning, if it works well this way.  Would it be possible to play around with each warrior stand having D3 spawning (thus a group would be 3D3).  They get a better average roll than the Harridan and the GSN, but it is also more varied.  Also the death of warrior stands will effect the groups spawning ability. Please note that the "Quikie" explination of Spawning states Synapse Groups and Tyranid Warriors (plural). So a Tyranid Warrior Synapse Group of 3xTyranid Warriors would have a spawning ability of 1D6+2. This IS explained in the full version of the rule. Now a player could form a Synapse Group of 3xTyranid Warriors and a Hive Tyrant and that would make it 2D6+6 for the Synapse Group Controlling the swarm. Using a battle from this weekend as an example the Tyranid player had 2xTW, 1xHT, and 3xLSN for a total army spawning of 6D6+8, if he had added a Myecetic Spore a turn to that it grows to 7D6+8. As we were watching this, and other games before using this rule, in the end it averaged out that he had  around 20 to 30 spawning points per turn across the army. The advantage of this is that we no longer get the 'Army Appearing in an Instant' effect, the downside, for the Nids anyways, is they can no longer target their spawning into one area of the battlefield. Also the Nids have less control over the spawning in general however, they do have some control as they can still target spores into a swarm and can position Nodes to create spawning points for swarms. Oh, also an opponent must wipe out all three Tyranid Warriors to have any effect on their spawning ability. As for trying something like 1D2+1 for Tyranid Warriors (ie per stand cost) we tried it but didn't really like it all that much. The present version is much simpler, and doesn't penalize the poor TW for losses. I like the direction that these changes are going in.  Not too sure about the GSN teleport restrictions, seems like an extra rule that we don't really need.

It is an attempt to get them back into the game. It may, or may not, work out but I want to try it.

Finally, I still think we should have three "Hierodules", barbed, scythed and trygon, but if we had to only have 2 then I would prefer barbed and tyrgon.

As Chroma correctly pointed out the barbed didn't exsist for the Hamman's World invasion so we couldn't include it if we wanted to. Also, I am very restricted in the number of 'New Models' I am allowed to add to the list, and truthfully we are already pushing the limit hard.

What - I've played Space Hulk! A Genestealer with a 4+ - how will I shred all the terminators!

Ummmm by using lots of em  

I'm not too happy about the teleporting GSN. Mainly as it would have needed time to grow so it really should "just appear" to table. I can see how it makes it more usable, but it does not fit nicely. Also it makes the distiction with LSN less visible. Even more so with GSN having 2DC and LSN 4+ save. I would keep the 3DC and not teleport ability.


The differences are a bit greater when you consider the new spawning rule (See above for the teleporting reply)

And lastly to Hierodule B (or Trygon). I don't think that it should have bio cannons. As the model (in 40k) doesn't have them. Perhaps give +2EA for the bio shock.

Hmmmm an idea to consider, that upon first look is interesting to contemplate.

For the spawning. I need to try it. Perhaps would change the GSN and Hive Tyrant places though. As GSN can "spawn" and Hive Tyrant needs to find the units. Also it kinda boots HT which is pretty good shape as is when compared to Tyranid Warriors.


Actually once you try the new spawning rule you'll better understand why I did this the way I did. It is a little hard to explain in words, and easier to show why by example.

Norn Queen Notes.............
Please understand the new Spawning Rule is very experimental, and is going to need a lot of work, playtesting, and input from everyone involved to see if your results match what little playtesting we have done with it.

Thanks All........................

Jaldon