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Spawning suggestion
Hojyn	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:42 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:52 am Posts: 876 Location: Brest - France	Quote (Hena @ 22 Mar. 2006 (13:20)) Yes, but the problem is that many independent formation would be wiped by that. Well then, make independant (and synapse?) creatures ignore that rule. After all, Lictors and Stealers are more "intelligent" than Gaunts. I was thinking one automatic hit... Perhaps extra d3 hits with 4+AT/AP for their type? Yes, but that would mean even more dice to roll and would perhaps bog down the game in the end, wouldn't it? Reworded proposition: "Each time a Tyranid formation is designated as a target by an enemy formation, it automatically suffers D3 (or 1) hit(s) instead of receiving a BM. These hits can only be applied to Common and Uncommon brood creatures (in normal hit allocation order)."

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thurse	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:26 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:13 pm Posts: 185 Location: Dundee, Scotland	How about for every kill, roll to attack with that weapon again? It is not a bad idea I think, but it introduces a new balance perspective for weapons, as it increases much more the efficiency of weapons with a very good shooting value, compared to weapons with a bad one. Don't know if I'm clear...

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ragnarok	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:27 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:43 pm Posts: 2084 Location: Reading, England	I have to admit that I don't like the extra hits route.  It means that a single stand could kill 4 of my gaunts! I much prefer something along the lines of "When shooting at swarms that contain one or more common brood stands formations gain an extra AP6+ shot for every x AP shots." Since it is only the common broods that mass in such numbers for the enemy to be able to shoot blind and still kill something. _________________ Tyranid air marshal
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semajnollissor	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:33 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:38 pm Posts: 1673 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA	I dunno, having extra hits just feels like you're taking from one end and giving to the other. If there are too many units in a swarm, either limit the total number of units in a swarm or reduce the number of units that can be respawned at a given time. What if synapse units differed in the number of units they could respawn. i.e. Warriors respawn 1D3; Tyrants and LSN 1D6; GSN and dominatrices 2D6. These are just "for instances," there are a lot of ways you could vary it. I think it would be more swarm-like if there was a mechanism like what is used in 40k for the meat grinder mission, where wiped out formations can reenter from the player's board edge. I doubt that will work in a 4 turn GT game, though, so something equivalent would have to do. Maybe if you allowed more spawning in the Tyranid player's board half, and/or less in the opponent's board half. That would represent how the Tyranids don't have as much presence in the defended territory. For instance, if you keep the spawning rules as they are, but add the following: "if the synapse creature attempting to take a spawning action is in the opposing player's board half, then the number of spawning points it generates is halved, rounding up." Anyway, I think a better path to take is to decide how you want the unending waves of tyranids to be represented on the table. Right now, they aren't so much waves as they are isolated explosions of population.
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semajnollissor	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:37 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:38 pm Posts: 1673 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA	Or, if you do want extra hits, maybe you could allow small arms to fire (if in range) at a 6+ to-hit (or even using the FF value as the to-hit value). 'Cause that wouldn't be suicidal or anything.
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Tactica

Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:49 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

Quote (thurse @ 22 Mar. 2006 (08:26)) How about for every kill, roll to attack with that weapon again? It is not a bad idea I think, but it introduces a new balance perspective for weapons, as it increases much more the efficiency of weapons with a very good shooting value, compared to weapons with a bad one. Don't know if I'm clear... I agree. Armies that are good at shooting are going to become great at getting rid of bugs with this suggestion. I also agree that this is trying to band-aid something that's broke. Whether they are being shot at or fought in hand to hand... A.  Source Problem = too many bugs on field per turn. B.  Problem Resolution = reduce bugs on field per turn. How is up to those you who are much closer to the bug list than I. _________________ Rob

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mchiao	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:34 pm Posts: 8	How about this, assuming nids does get BM, subtract number of BMs from the spawning roll and then remove all BM. The Tyranids will only get BM for being shot at and not for each killed brood.  I'm aslo thinking maybe they get 1 BM for each killed synapse creature within the formation. Just my 2 pennies
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Jaldon	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:20 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.	What a difference a day, and a comment, make........ See while I was in my sick bed I had come up with the following ideas for spawning, today was the first chance I have gotten to type them up. Spawning and Nytryce Oxyde #1 Fixed Spawning Instead of Synapse Creatures being able to spawn during the turn, Spawning is fixed to occur in the Rally Phase. In the Rally Phase each Swarm gets 1D6 spawning points, and can add up to ONE myecetic spore to that spawning. Those points may only be spent to 'buy' units for that swarm. All other Spawning rules remain the same (Brood (x), placed within 5cm of Synapse, Dominatrix is base 2D6, etc...) #2 Fixed Spawning This is identical to #1 above except that a Dominatrix can 'lend' one of its D6 rolls to any single swarm on the table. #3 Variable Spawning This works the same as the present Spawning rules with the following changes A: The Swarm is not allowed to move if it spawns. B: The Swarm is not allowed to shoot if it spawns C: The Swarm is not allowed to lend FF supporting fires if it spawns. D: The Swarm cannot carry out AA fire if it spawns. E: A maximum of ONE myecetic spore can be added to the swarm for spawning. #4 Variable Spawning This is identical to #3 above except that the cap on myecetic spores is raised to two. #5 Limited Spawning At the start of the battle the Nid player gets 2D6 for each Swarm containing Synapse Creatures, 3D6 for each Dominatrix, 2D6 for each Greater Synapse Node, 1D6 for each Lesser Synapse Node, and 1D6 for each Myecetic Spore. The total is the number of dice the Nid player has available for spawning for the entire battle, we could use chits to represent them eliminating chits as the dice are used. This would be used in #3 or #4 above with a max limited of two dice being allowed for use in spawning at any one time. I do not deny these need more work, but before I put more into them I want some input from you guys....... Thanks ahead of time.... Jaldon _________________ Brave sir Robin, when danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled, Brave sir Robin.
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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:43 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	I did like the idea one chap outlined of spawning on your side of the table only, with spores reinforcing on the other side, giving the feeling of defending against the horde. _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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Jaldon	Post subject: Spawning suggestion Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:01 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.	#2 I cannot fanthom how a dominatrix could help a swarm 100cm away. So I would say silly to this. In other words don't like it. So you do mean No   I did like the idea one chap outlined of spawning on your side of the table only, with spores reinforcing on the other side, giving the feeling of defending against the horde.

Where at TRC, could you cut and paste it here? I'd like to see it, or is it further back and I missed it?

Thanks Guys Jaldon