Dobbsy wrote:
My point is that it's a zoanthrope. Pick a stat either new or old (most likely new as old is not the norm anymore and also, what does it matter if the old version is now a synapse?) it doesn't have to be both and it'll be a heck of a lot easier to remember stuff between lists. People just want to use the minis and at a guess probably care less about them having different stats to represent each one. Just saying it will be easier in the long run for both you guys and the people playing Nids not to have to remember every little difference.
Personally, I would like one list that you can use any miniature for. Just because the old list used slugs doesn't mean they can't be renamed to modern vernacular. I could care less that they're named something else so long as I can use the minis. <shrug>
I think on the whole there should be a minimum of creatures with two different statlines. I also think that a compromise solution should be the first option. The big problem is LV or Inf as that has a massive impact on the way the lists will play and dicates the stats to a certain extent (stats for a single LV would be weaker than that representing ~3 inf). Rather than stress the differences there should be an idea of what this creatures purpose is in the list. Personally the Zoanthrope is a psychic gun, floating ability doesn't matter and if dropping synapse means they can use the same stats then drop synapse. I also think Inf is more fitting as the epic model is a joke, the zoanthrope has always been around warrior sized.
The old slugs still technically exist as separate and distinct creatures (Apocalypse named three of the four) therefore they should have separate statlines and can retain their names.
I don't quite get what you're driving at Dobbsy with a preference for "one list that you can use any miniature for". There isn't a complete range of Tyranid miniatures so Onachus is driving off the old models, if you collect epic Tyranids then every (official) mini you have will be in that list. Leviathan will have newer stuff that will require conversions and modelling. There is nothing to say that a future list won't be a hybrid of the two, just that right now it will be two lists and later we may get to something like the Eldar or SM with a list for every occasion (where the stats are taken from the complete unit list that is the general purpose of this thread).
If you want to use a particular model then you need to use the appropriate list just like every other race. Afterall the Voidspinner doesn't appear in every Eldar list. I know I can use all my official tyranid miniatures in Onachus and I'll have to convert or proxy stuff for Leviathan.
