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Some more musings
ayoras	Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:46 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:44 am Posts: 52	and what about my idea : put some restrictions in the list composition (Ex : 50% max for common brood). Any army have restrictions, nids have almost no restrictions. _________________
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tneva82	Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:49 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:17 pm Posts: 606	Quote (Hena @ 21 Mar. 2006 (16:45)) IMO sea of gaunts shouldn't be that odd for phase IV. Sure there are bigger beast about, but there can still be a flood of little critters. As if there has been time to make the bigger ones, there sure has been time to make the little as well. Here here! Phase IV is large phase. Or are bug armies uniform across the planet? Beside it can be balanced so why not make it balanced option? Better that than say "It's extreme list, let's not worry about it". _________________ www.tneva.net
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Chroma	Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:50 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (nealhunt @ 21 Mar. 2006 (16:39)) The point is that I don't think it should be considered an extreme list, even if not strictly Phase IV. Well, the T-Terror list is actually only "extreme" with 10 point Termagants and 100 point twin warrior groups. With 15 and 150 point basis for the army, the "swarm of lesser bugs" is competitive, but certainly not a no-brainer organziation for "winning the tournament". And I'd *still* like to see people's takes on "variant" Tyranid lists... I believe there's a "Seeding Swarm" being working on here someplace as well. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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ayoras

Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:54 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:44 am Posts: 52

Beside it can be balanced so why not make it balanced option? Better that than say "It's extreme list, let's not worry about it". Well, I admit that it is slightly my point of view. But we already increase the cost of the termies. If we increase more the cost of the lesser bugs we will loose the swarmy aspect of the army. Nevertheless, a 120 termies list is still broken? Well, why we don't put RESTRICTIONS!!! Moreover, on the 4th phase, nope, to me there are big bugs during this phase. So, maximum common brood and minimum uncommon brood that would do the job no? _________________

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tneva82	Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:58 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:17 pm Posts: 606	Quote (ayoras @ 21 Mar. 2006 (16:54)) Nevertheless, a 120 termies list is still broken? Well, why we don't put RESTRICTIONS!!! Moreover, on the 4th phase, nope, to me there are big bugs during this phase. So, maximum common brood and minimum uncommon brood that would do the job no? Has somebody said 120 termi list with 3 warrior synapses being broken? And if it is who says it can't be fixed without killing horde aspect? And yes phase IV contains big bugs but just as not all marine armies include land raiders etc or all ork armies don't involve kults of speed etc why should all tyranids armies include bigger bugs? Or are bugs so organised that they MUST have all armies same? (oh look! One swarm sustained heavy casualties! Most/all bigger bugs dead! Let's pull swarm back! That swarm can't fight anymore!) _________________ www.tneva.net
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nealhunt

Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:00 pm

Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA

nealhunt have you read my posts on this topic? I know it is repeating compared to the other one, but when I read you, I really wonder if I'm understoodable or if I speak greek. I know the feeling.  You have yet to respond to several of my points and the points you do respond to are generally not my intended meaning.  I am assuming that it's a language barrier issue. Is it really the primary goal to make nids a one-model army?

That's not at all what I said.  I said a "horde army" is the primary goal and must be balanced.

The only thing is : compare results of this kind of list with the results of the same kind of list in another army (exemple : *10 aerial stuff TAU army).

Your example is not relevant.  Tau aren't supposed to be a super air-heavy list and the specific units that are causing problems are not intended to be "core" units according to the background.  In other words, it should be considered extreme because it is so far outside the intent of the list.


Regarding what I think your point is, a far better comparison is the Ork example I used.  Likewise, armies of IG infantry or Cultist Covens are unusual, but neither extreme nor abusive.  In all those cases a preponderance of the "core" units causes no balance problems at all.

A TTerror army is atypical, but not so far outside the intent of the list that it should be considered extreme any more than Ork Warband, IG Infantry, or Cultist Coven armies.  If it is abusive in play, then something basic is wrong with the list and it is not something that should be fixed with arbitrary restrictions on army composition.