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EpiCompetition picture storage
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EpiCompetition picture storage
CyberShadow
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:40 pm 
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Right, this whole painting competiton thing is working itself out, and there are only a few things to decide on. During discussion with Tas we came across the issue of where the actual pictures should be.

My opinion is: Pictures should located at a single place, and that people are not able to host pictures themselves (I dont want people changing the pictures after the competition has closed and leaving the link the same). In addition, all pictures must be posted in the appropriate forum threads to be entered (ensuring that entrants are members here). Both the web space and the forum threads can then be closed when the competition closes.

The only other thing is where to locate the pictures, and for this there are two main choices:

- Human moderated: This basically involves people emailing me their pictures, I then host them and return a link to them, which they can post in the forum.

The advantages are that the pictures, storage and uploading are done by a single person, who is responsible (if you agree!) and will ensure that it all runs ok from that end. The disadvantage is that there may be a delay while I get the pictures online.

- Automatically compiled: This method uses the gallery that netepic has put together (if he will let us use it!). People can upload their own pictures to the web space, and (I assume) it can be set that once the pictures are uploaded they cannot be changed or altered in any way.

The advantage here is that people can upload and post very quickly and with minimum effort. The disadvantage is that we will need to keep an eye to make sure that only 'appropriate' pictures are uploaded here.

Tas and I cant seem to decide, so I thought that I would throw it open to you guys. Let me know what you think, or any comments or ideas about the whole process in general.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:09 pm 
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Hi there Cybershadow,

      The Gallery is Chris's, I act as more or a technical consultant to it, (I do of course have my own album in there, which has cost a vast fortune in alcohol to set up ;)). Can you include him in this process? I can do everything that is needed as a programmer with ease, but it is his gallery. I shouldn't see that there would be a problem with it though. Your best bet is to email him at gallery@netepic.org

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:05 pm 
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Ahh yes. Sorry, an oversight. It is Chris' Gallery and I will of course clear everything with him. Sorry Chris.

Does that mean that the Gallery would be a seperate album but the same gallery?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:33 pm 
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Iain, I can see no problems with hosting your pics for now.

What I was planning (If this is cool with you) was a new top level album called "Epic Painting Competeion 2003" or whatever other name you are calling this. This would be seperate from any other album, not inside of the current Epic album.

Now, after the competition I suggest we keep the album for a few more months, then filter the pictures down into the gerneral De'Aynes Epic gallery. This way the images are not wasted.

Is this all cool with you? This is the option I present to you now, if you have any other ideas or comments please speak up and tell me!!!

The only thing we have to deciede upon with this is what access we are having to this section of the gallery. Is it best to just allow say, me or one of you access to this album, or do we have general access to it, so anyone can post their own pics. Both are options open to us. Unless you have another idea?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:06 pm 
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Chris, that all sounds cool. The way that you stated sounds a good idea, and is the 'automated compilation' method in the poll. I think that we should see what people here think about which method is best. If we have a single person responsible for the Gallery then that becomes the 'human moderated' option (and this can be either with the Gallery or on my web space, whatever is easier).

Who has access is really the heart of the poll here.

Lets see what people think about the two chices, and then we can decide on where it is. Thanks for your support, Chris.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:14 pm 
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My thoughts- pics should be located at a single place.  That way problems at external sites dont cause problems or lost images.  Plus that solves the problem of 99% of free sites not enabling remote hosting.

Human compiled- more time consuming and intensive, but better long term product.  A post on it beign upadted informs everybody and they can then go feast on the new eye candy.

Auto compiled- easier, but will require more checking and validating.  More prone to spamming and abuse.

Whatever you guys want to do on the tech side is fine by me, as long as we can all see and vote on the end products

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:31 pm 
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Quote (Chris @ 08 2003 July,21:33)
Now, after the competition I suggest we keep the album for a few more months, then filter the pictures down into the gerneral De'Aynes Epic gallery. This way the images are not wasted.

My only comment on this would be that which Jimbo raised earlier in competition conversations. There may be some people, for whatever reason, who want to enter the competition but do not wish for their images to be used in the De'Aynes and elsewhere.

Personally, as you know, you are always welcome to any of my images, but for some there are other matters to consider if you plan on moving them all into the main galleries.

Perhaps just a note on the competition rules stating that people should request exlusion if they so wish but if they do not their images will automaticaly be included in the main galleries after the competitoion has run its course.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:53 pm 
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Quote (TuffSkull @ 09 2003 July,08:31)
Quote (Chris @ 08 2003 July,21:33)
Now, after the competition I suggest we keep the album for a few more months, then filter the pictures down into the gerneral De'Aynes Epic gallery. This way the images are not wasted.

My only comment on this would be that which Jimbo raised earlier in competition conversations. There may be some people, for whatever reason, who want to enter the competition but do not wish for their images to be used in the De'Aynes and elsewhere.

Personally, as you know, you are always welcome to any of my images, but for some there are other matters to consider if you plan on moving them all into the main galleries.

Perhaps just a note on the competition rules stating that people should request exlusion if they so wish but if they do not their images will automaticaly be included in the main galleries after the competitoion has run its course.

I am literally PMing Cybershadow on this at the moment:

Our concesnus is:
>Keeping the De'Aynes and this seperate seems the best >thing, and does not stop Chris from 'farming' the best and >emailing the authors individually.

Thus if selected, each artist will be requested for permission to post into De'Aynes.  We dont wnat anyone to feel like they are losign the rights to their own work and dont want this to restrict anypone's entries.  However the idea is to get some nnice pics of great minis so everyone can enjoy them, so it would be expected tht this wouldnt cause a major issue.  The images WILL NOT be used for any other ourpose without the artist's permission.

I hope this clarifies the problem and eases any concern anybody has.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:35 pm 
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Everyone hold on to something, we are all moving to the EpiCompetition board....

Thats better.

This thing is puzzling me a lot. The options that I can come up with are:

- use Chris's gallery and allow anyone to upload pictures. Get someone (Tas, myself, Chris) to check the pictures regularly to make sure that they are OK.

- use Chris's gallery space, and only allow certain people to upload pictures there (again, Chris, Tas and myself?)

- use seperate web space somewhere and get a few people who are able to upload the pictures and create the viewing page

- use seperate web space and limit access to a single person

Arrrggghhh!  }:)

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Tas
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:47 am 
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Woah...I feel a little woozy after that jump! :)

I think options 1 and 2 are the best if Chris has the appropriate webspace available.  Keeping in mind that we wont then be relying on anywhere else to not stuff up our picture availability

I still prefer Option 2 though for continued good quality product, even if it is more work for us...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:33 pm 
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OK, since this poll is running very evenly right now, I will make an executive decision.

If anyone disagrees with this, please let me know - I only suggest to break the deadlock and because we are approaching the 'go live' date of the weekend.

OK, if all is OK with Chris, we will use his Gallery space as a seperate folder for all pictures. Chris, can you arrange access for Tas, and possibly myself?

Pictures will be emailed to Tas and he will upload them. If he has a delay or problems for whatever reason, he can pass the pictures on to me and I will upload them (or Chris). I will set up two email addresses - one for Tas (Tas, will you have an account, and remember that you will be getting quite a few large picture files. PM me if you want to discuss this) for pictures and submissions, and one for me for any technical issues. Also, I will put together a central page for this (with a nice, easy address that people can remember without writing it down!), that Fanatic et al can link to and which can be used for any global information and links to the gallery, the forum, and general rules of the game.

How does this sound? Chris, can you sort your end of this out and let me know if there are any comments? Tas, can you set up the threads and rules as discussed, and get back to me about your email account?

Thanks guys.

PS - netepic, can we get a nexus button which wil llink to the EpiComp page?




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Happy- will PM you with the other details you need.

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Great. The only thing left is to ask if Chris is OK with this. If not, we will simply use extra web space.

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At this point, I should appologise to the Epic community. I can only say in my defence that I have had a lot on my mind recently.

Wouldnt it simply be easier, cleaner, and better to allow people to upload their pictures to the EpiComms web space? So, I have allowed this for this forum.

This means that people can store their pictures actually on these boards.

Let me know what everyone thinks of this compared to the other options. I have tried this out below. As a guide, this limits picture size a little, but 640x480 should be fine.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:17 pm 
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I can see that this would work pretty well,and cab't think of many problems with it that don't already apply to the other options that are available, so, why not?  ???

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