I imagine that this years Epic Painting Competition will follow the format of previous years fairly closely. However, I did want to open up the floor to anyone that had comments or suggestions for the year based on experiences, ideas, etc.

One note - While it would be great to add a whole load of new categories, each category does require a prize, and therefore it is unlikely that we can add to the list. In addition, I do feel that more categories is likely to dilute the number of entries, and I would rather stick to a few, broader categories.

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Maybe a terrain catagory instead of the art one might have more entries?

Thanks for putting the effort in again CS.

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Will the deadline be the same as in 2007? Because I have some entries but cannot get pictures of them before the beginning of October.

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I think that the deadlines would remain the same as last year, giving a final deadline of end of November.

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And voting across December, right?

This is a list of past categories (or possibly imagined ones produced by a defective memory   ):


Best model
Best formation (corrected as suggested by Neal)
Best war machine/titan
Best army/force
Best scenery
Best artwork
open competition
Conversion competition
Best Exodus Wars unit
Best Seeds of War (although it wasn't yet called that then) unit.

One we'd never tried was best photoshoot of Epic scale model/s.

As CS pointed out we'd need a prize for each, so that would be a limiting factor. I'd personally go for:

Best unit
Best war machine unit
Best battleforce

Best conversion (from across the full category of entries).

All would apply to bot Epic and non-GW 6mm scale models. If there are more than 4 prizes, then I'd add to the range:
Open competition (for scenery, dioramas, and other weird and wonderful stuff which does not fit well into any of the other three categories).
Artwork (if there is demand for it).
Anything else.

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Best 6mm scale conversion using parts from at least three different printer models.
Best 6mm scale conversion using a cigarette lighter.
Best 6mm scale conversion using a (real) double decker bus.
Best 6mm scale model with a grass skirt category....

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What the hell is that Vanvlak?  Ridiculously good! (literally).  You did mean a 6mm model of a real bus didn't you?

Contest-wise: Can we have the conversions in their own category this year?  There were so many last time that great painting was not enough to really compete- the conversions were always going to hog the votes.  I'm not saying conversions don't deserve to beat the painters, just that they were judged on the conversion, not the painting, in a painting contest.  

Edit: All right, so it's not strictly a painting contest but at least the conversion contest & judging was supposed to be separate.

Well, one category could be "straight from the box". It could actually be fun "just to paint" some figurines.

Oh, and one category could be "totally scrapbuilded" with no kitbashing or miniatureparts.

And finally: Conversions, NON-painted converted miniature.

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I personally don't like unconverted miniatures. Also even regular army lists (rulebook) require some conversions, so I don't think it is necessary to make a special category for uncoverted minis. Also i think unpainted conversions are not really what people want to see. But the idea of a category for completely scratch-built minis has my support. But I would set the rules for it like: No parts of Epic miniatures allowed. So 40k and other ranges would be okay.

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Best model
Best unit
Best war machine/titan
Best army/force
Best scenery
Best artwork
open competition
Conversion competition
Best Exodus Wars unit
Best Seeds of War (although it wasn't yet called that then) unit.

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And no, sorry, I meant a 1:1 scale real double decker bus converted to something in 6mm scale. Bet I could manage that, dunno, amega-mega-mega-mobile fortress or something.....    

I personally don't like unconverted miniatures.

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Maybe conversions show more dedication in that area but there are gifted painters who are not good at converting. Making seperate competitions seems odd.

In the bfg competition, which is a painting competition, people vote for painting and judges for conversion.

If vanvlak decides to change I advice him to open two categories: one where people vote on painting and one where people vote on conversion.

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I think seperating conversion and painting into different categoeirs is a bad idea. Stressing that people should judge by the quality of the paint job would be just fine as this is a painting competition after all. However some armies (like Chaos or Tyranids, Dark Eldar or Necrons to name a few) would be severely handicapped if they were to be lumped into a seperate category.

I do agree that there's been a tendency to vote for models because of the conversion work. I just think the best way to deal with it is simply to ask people to focus on the quality of the paint job. State it in the rules as well as each voting thread and I think we should be just fine.

I'm not too keen on an unpainted conversion category either. It can be realy difficult to judge the quality of a conversion before the paint job IMO. A clean sculpt from greenstuff will always look nicer that something bodged together from 20 different models, with bits of wire, cardboard, greenstuff, hamster legs, etc.etc. sticking out everywhere. In my experience it is only once the model has been properly painted that everything comes together.

IIRC the "best conversion" category has been judged by a jury the previous years, but if people feel they'd rather have this done openly I don't see a problem with that. It simply means that people should be allowed to double post a miniature in that category if they also want it judged on the conversion quality. Perhaps by allowing a "before and after" shot in this particular category might make everybody happy?
One advantage of the jury based conversion voting is that one person cannot win both painting and conversion prizes several years in a row, which ensures some fresh blood in the competition each year.

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I received a similar request where one participant asked to enter a conversion which hadn't been painted. I denied that because a) it is a painting competition in the first place and b) it would not look cool in the gallery. (Rule of Cool).  

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Just being pedantic, but "Best unit" should probably be be "Best formation" for purposes of clarity.

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