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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:31 am 
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>An organiser - any volunteers? Tas? Maksim?

Yep, delighted to put my hand up to co-ordinate the comp. ?I see it as a forum project, with inputs and assistance from others though. ?Especially in the site tech and graphic design areas in which I am a chimp ?:;):

With respect to a few other issues, my thoughts are:

>Now, how should this be judged? By a couple of trusted >judges, or by the community in general?

Can we do a web poll and judge it that way by the wider community? That would be a more enjoyable way of doing it, but I'm not sure if this is technically feasible. ?Over to the site admin guys for this one...

>Each category has a sticky thread. The first post of each of >these consists of the rules. Every other post must include >an entry into the competition, at least a picture but also >details would be great. Posts without an entry are deleted.
>The painter then adds a post to the appropriate thread, with >details if there are any.

Could we please have a new forum section for the painting competition, with as you say, a sticky for each category. ?People are welcome to post there about anything and everything relating to the comp, including WIP or whatever. ?Once the comp is closed, we will use that area for the winners to describe how they made their masterpieces etc. ?I really want it to be a freee forum to discuss anything about the comp- problems encountered, requests for bits, whatever.

>Entries are emailed to the organiser, who places them online, >logs the entry and date, and emails a link to the picture >back to the painter. ?On closing, the organiser does not >accept any more entries and closes the competition.

Yep, that is how I see it working. ?Entires will be placed on the comp pages in a standrad size and format once entered, and once the closing date is past, thats it- no more entries accepted.

So is everybody happy with the proposed dates? ?Anybody want some amendemnts? ?I thought that gets it all done before ethe silly season of Christmas begins...We all know that that is the time of being dragged unwillingly off to family reunions and no painting gets done anyway! :-)

>If there was a seperate gallery area, I would be happy to >host it, but if someone else wishes to do this and has the >capacity, then they are welcome to go ahead with it. >However, we have enough space on this server, and I can >get extra space as required.

Will take you up on this. ?I have some thoughts and ideas for building the site for the comp and have an offer of assistance from signius here. ?He is also going to deisgn a small banner type advert graphic which we can post around the web to advertise the comp (like the EoT one at Bolter & Chainsword). ?Any other offers for assisstance in this area are most welcome.

dafrca's kind offer of assistance for scans is generous and I hope that this will assists those who are concerned about their ability to take photos of their minis to reconsider their non entry.

Terrain- this will be added as a category after the requests- a free range anything-you-like terrain category (ie from hills to bunkers and anything in between). ?It may have a few figures added for effect but these will not form any of the judement. ?If you want to go there, go for the open category and do a diaorama. ?Any other suggestions/requests for changes in categories?

>What about the quality of pics though? ?Surely this could >effect decisions unfairly? ?Not only picture quality, but >backdrops and lighting.

This is a difficult one. ?The party line is of course that such things are immaterial, but if we can see the figs properly they cant be judged. ?Backdrops and lighting are uneccessary, and figures will be placed on their quality, not that of backdrops.

WRT Copyright. ?I understand your consternation Jimbo. ?Would it be acceptable to say that the conditions of entry are that any submissions may be used on the comp webpages and if selected in the De'Annes Gallery? ?No other use of the pics will be permitted unless authorised by the owner (ie you retain full rights to the pics of your work). ?Does that make everybody happy?

The other entry condition is that if you win a place, you will be asked to post regarding your techniques and methods for how you made your entry. ?Of course you may do this also if you dont win a place too!

>Somebody did mention the idea of entering Golden Demon >again. I had decided not to this year, but I've decided that >if I can get up to speed on my detail painting soon enough, I >will work on something for the battle scene/Open >competition ?

I think the idea will be for this to be the "2003 EpiComms Golden Demon Competition"...Max?
You can submit such entries into the Open Category anyway. ?

>Prizes - anyone got any ideas for these? I will have a look >around, but I dont know what I have

Does anybody have any contacts that may be able to assist? ?

Phew! ?I think that about covers it. ?Looking forward to seeing your replies and delighted to be a part of this project. ?All offers of help appreciated to make this forum project a success for all concerned!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:56 am 
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Tas and gang,

Prizes - Anyone got any ideas for these?
I will have a look around, but I don't know what I have.

Does anyone have any contacts that may be able to assist?  


I can check with some of the guys that I've made contacts with. I mostly know manufacturers from proxy companies. I rarely buy Epic figures from anf GW or any affiliated company anymore.

Maybe Legion-4 can talk to the official GW guys since he makes so many orders!  :p

I'm willing to scrounge up a few prizes anyhow out of my spare things.

I'm also perfectly happy to have you, Tas, take the lead at organizing this project. I'll be back-up or assistant if you'd like.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:33 am 
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Quote (Tas @ 30 2003 June,19:31)
dafrca's kind offer of assistance for scans is generous and I hope that this will assists tos ewho are concerned about their ability to take photos of their minis to reconsider their non entry.

Although I was responding to Shadow Hunter, Tas is correct, the offer is for anyone who wants to join in and needs the help. I figure you paint it and shoot it, I'll scan it.

Anyone who wants to send me a "real" picture or slide I will scan it and send you the electronic file. That way those who are on-line can submit their own work  :D

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Thanks for the offer Dafrca, I may take you up on it if I do have trouble using the works scanner (which I sometimes do.)

I guess I had better get practising taking photos of stuff now, so that when I want to do the real pics, they come out ok.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:58 pm 
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Wow. OK, things are starting to get moving.

OK, Tas you are officially volunteered! It would be great to get support from loads of people, but this will need a central organiser.

Judging - if we go down the route of having it all community judged, I would guess that we would need to run two stages. The first would narrow the voting down to a handful of entries, and the second stage would select the ultimate winner, etc. I am assuming that there will be a best of category winner, but do we want an 'overall slayer sword winner; as well?

The only thoughts that I have had on this center on the Battlestats program that is used on the NetEpic site, but it would need something to make sure that people only vote once. The other alternative is to use the polls here, which would be a little more complicated and would need all voters to be registered here (not that I would object to that!  :D  ).

I was thinking about a new forum for this, how about the EpiCompetitions?  :blues:  We can easily close the sticky, entry threads on the close of the competition.

I like the dates, but will that be long enough for people to get entires painted and submitted?

Thinking more about picture hosting for this recently, it might be better to have a seperate store dedicated to pictures, but that the images must be posted on the boards to be entered. The only reason for this is that it would allow you to take control of the web space. If you used the forum space, you would need passwords not only for the entire boards, but also www.epic40k.co.uk!  ???  This will require a little research, but I will have a look around. Alternatively, we can use the board web space, if people send the pictures to me and I upload them. Nothing personal, but I shudder when I think about giving out the password for the web space!  :l

Terrain - great idea. So what are the categories now? Also, what do you consider a 'battle force'? NetEpic, EpicA, Epic40K?

I would think that the De'Aynes and this competition should remain unrelated. Of course, if Chris wants to email people to ask for permission to use their pictures, that is a seperate thing.

Prizes, I think will be the most difficult thing. I am happy to fund purchases bought from GW and delivereds to the winner (in the past, I offered a magazine subscription in this way, and I thought about the Epic Armageddon background book which I would be happy to offer as the first prize. I could even see if Jervis would sign it). I dont think that independent makers would offer prizes for a GW related competition.

Let me know when you want the boards created, and if there is anything else that I can do.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:39 pm 
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Another thought:

Perhaps instead of "single miniature", we could have "single unit" instead, as then a single miniature could be entered- Imperial tank, an Avatar, as well as a little group, like a command stand with their Chimera, or a couple of bases of Orks...

I only think this might be better as sometimes single bases of troops look a little strange on their own, and rather better with a counterpart.. thoughts? ???

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Storm-Seer,

Another thought:
Perhaps instead of "single miniature", we could have "single unit" instead, as then a single miniature could be entered- Imperial tank, an Avatar, as well as a little group, like a command stand with their Chimera, or a couple of bases of Orks...
I only think this might be better as sometimes single bases of troops look a little strange on their own, and rather better with a counterpart... thoughts?


I think this is a wonderful idea.

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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 02 2003 July,06:05)
Storm-Seer,

Another thought:
Perhaps instead of "single miniature", we could have "single unit" instead, as then a single miniature could be entered- Imperial tank, an Avatar, as well as a little group, like a command stand with their Chimera, or a couple of bases of Orks...
I only think this might be better as sometimes single bases of troops look a little strange on their own, and rather better with a counterpart... thoughts?


I think this is a wonderful idea.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

This was my intention, but obviously I didn't articulate it properly. ?I want people to be able to submit a single vehicle, or stand and transport (ie not a whole force) in that category.

I will rename it appropriately. ?Thanks.

Any other thoughts or amendments to categories or category title? ?To summarise we now have:

1. Epic Battleforce, defined as a grouping of complete units (under any rules version) that must contain vehicles, infantry and optionally one large model
2. Single titan
3. Single unit
4. Terrain
5. Open Category: custom free-for-all (includes dioramas)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:41 am 
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This was my intention, but obviously I didn't articulate it properly. ?I want people to be able to submit a single vehicle, or stand and transport (ie not a whole force) in that category.
I will rename it appropriately. ?Thanks.


So you mean I'm now going to have to convert a retinue to go with my first mad conversion in Epic scale in months?!?!?!? Damn...... ?:p


Any other thoughts or amendments to categories or category title? ?To summarise we now have:

1. Epic Battleforce, defined as a grouping of complete units (under any rules version) that must contain vehicles, infantry and optionally one large model
2. Single titan
3. Single unit
4. Terrain
5. Open Category: custom free-for-all (includes dioramas)


Its all sounding pretty good. We should get pages up ASAP on Epic40k.com, Epic40k.co.uk etc. when the details are sorted as to do these things can take serious time (I've started work now on my UK Golden Demon entry in the hopes I _might_ get it done for September! ?:cool: ).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:56 pm 
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Ok in order to account for the delay in setting up, dates are now changed to:

*All entires to be submitted by 31 October.  All entries will be placed on a web gallery for display.

*Voting to be done by (method to be determined) from 1-30 Nov.

* Winners announced 1 Dec

That should help us all out in our scramble for bits and time needed for converting and painting.

On your mark, get set......GO!!!!! :D  :D  :D

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Technical Issues:

I have some solutions for the technical issues, if I can get Chris's permission then I will create an album called the 'EpiComms 2003 Golden Demon Competition' then with a nested album for each category, then I will change the permissions for those categories so that anyone can upload a picture, but cannot change or alter any other images. Then people can upload there images and without needing to register, log in etc. I will give the competition organiser admin rights to the gallery so he can remove inappropriate content, move photos to different albums if they are in the wrong area, change the titles/captions/sorting order etc.

When the cut off period comes I will make the gallery read only and then add the Battlestats script to that people can vote once and once only for a single picture in each category. Of course due to technical limitations there will be ways to hack the system, but as mentioned before these are all so time consuming as to rarely be worth the bother.

Sorry for joining this thread too late, but what do you guys think?

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Seeing as Epic40k.com is in need of new material, the poll program would be hosted on there. It is receiveing an update soon anyway so I could slot that in when I upload if everyone agrees with that ;).

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I think my only concern is about the Battleforce category. I'm thinking that we should push E-A organization to give the new game a slight boost. The rules are a free download, after all.

Even those of us who play other rules could use the new models put out by E-A and therefore have a stake in seeing E-A succeed. JJ might even get behind us if we do it that way and he might... even provide prizes.

We could ask. I'm dieing to get some Mk.II Rhinos!

It's an idea, what do you, gentlemen, think?

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Well, let me know what you guys think, I could always put in a good word with Jervis...

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Yeah, mentioning it to Jervis would be a great idea I think, as well as lots of plugs for it on the Epic:A boards.... :)

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