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Epic: Mechanicus Supplement - Revive it!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:35 pm 
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I have a Skitarii defence force I can use and I will try and focus on that for you.

Thankyou. :-)

Whilst I think it'd be good to test one main list at a time (starting with the Gargant Mob list), if you don't have Orks available then testing on the other lists at this time would be more than welcomed!

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I can probably sort you out with most of the Ork stuff if that helps mate?

That would be excellent.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:57 pm 
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There seems to be varying lists of AOGBM lying about.

Could you start a thread in the Ork forum with the list you would like to see tested?

And what guidelines are there to these playtests?

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The appropriate gargant list can be found in the WIP supplement attached to the first page.

As for playtests, no guidelines beyond "play some games and tell what happened".

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:11 pm 
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The document in OP has the lists included. However they may or may not need to be updated with more current versions (for instance, the IF / BT list reboots currently underway). Our werewolf can comment on what he wants to use/test. AFAIK, from E&C's statements, this isn't under the NetEA banner (again, please correct pimp-slap me if incorrect).

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Most lists will be the NetEA ones, but where necessary (due to army ac's being unable to finish their lists, or not interested in providing appropriately themed lists) we'll write and balance our own lists.

I was the Gargant mob a.c. at one point, so I'm confident we can finish that one quite quickly.

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That is excellent news E&C. I was really hyped when you started working on the Supplement, and started painting forces for both AMTL and OGBM. When you stopped work on the supplement, I understood your reasons but I was gutted. That and eye surgery were the two reasons I gave up and stopped painting my Titans and Gargants.

I can't download the file right now as I'm on my tablet, but will definitely have a look soon.

This has cheered up my day. At least all your hard work so far won't be wasted.

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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Most lists will be the NetEA ones, but where necessary (due to army ac's being unable to finish their lists, or not interested in providing appropriately themed lists) we'll write and balance our own lists.

I was the Gargant mob a.c. at one point, so I'm confident we can finish that one quite quickly.


I think that you need to determine whether this is a NetEA supplement or not. It seems to me that if you want it go under the banner of NetEA then really the lists should be NetEA lists. Otherwise, you are either cherry-picking some lists that you think are nice, or further splitting the efforts that go on here. The initial structure was put out to allow the creation of variant lists without causing confusion, but the intention as far as I was aware was not for everyone to have their own version of lists.

Additionally, it seems counter-productive, if your issue is that lists are not being completed to 'your satisfaction', to essentially create second lists and therefore further dividing the potential playtesting pool.

Obviously, you are free to organise this in any way that you choose, but if I were on the NetERC (which I am not) I would be concerned with a supplement that uses SOME of the 'official' development but not others at the whim of one person alone. On the other hand, if this is a personal project for you to come up with variant lists of the ones that you are not happy with for whatever reason, perhaps that should be stated from the outset.

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Well, theese issues should only be with the mechanicum lists. I think the Skitarii and the tank list in this supplement is way better options then the ones that are supposed to be official ones.

I can for sure help playtest theese lists alot, and there's probably more playgroups doing that. Especially since the official AdMech lists are being held hostage by an AC thats not very interested in working with the community.

If the players support theese lists and do the neccesary work to get them approved I see mo problem with the NetERC overruling the AC and declarung theeeses list official instead. Thats actually a very democratic thing.

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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Most lists will be the NetEA ones, but where necessary (due to army ac's being unable to finish their lists, or not interested in providing appropriately themed lists) we'll write and balance our own lists.

I was the Gargant mob a.c. at one point, so I'm confident we can finish that one quite quickly.


I think that you need to determine whether this is a NetEA supplement or not. It seems to me that if you want it go under the banner of NetEA then really the lists should be NetEA lists.

As far as the NetEA is concerned, the supplements have always been private affairs that happened to use NetEA lists.

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Otherwise, you are either cherry-picking some lists that you think are nice, or further splitting the efforts that go on here.

I don't believe I'm incorrect in saying that the biggest movement in the NetEA project over the last three years has been to move one list (AMTL) from Approved back down to In Development; I don't think the presence of this supplement is splitting much, and indeed it will likely work to spur on new testing of existing lists.

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Additionally, it seems counter-productive, if your issue is that lists are not being completed to 'your satisfaction', to essentially create second lists and therefore further dividing the potential playtesting pool.

NetEA champions are most welcome to contribute to this supplement if they want to. Several have stepped up, and I have encouraged Reedar to step forward and take on the Championship of the various Ork lists in this supplement (that are all currently-extant NetEA lists).

The only lists that are different to the currently-extant NetEA lists in this supplement at this time are the 3 Mechanicus lists. Of those:
- The Legio Destructor list currently in the supplement was always intended to be the "feature" AMTL list of the supplement, even when I was Mechanicus AC. If the NetEA gets the AMTL list back to Approved status, then I'd be glad to give it a couple of pages in the supplement (an army list page, and a reference sheet page). I understand the AC has just put out a new version of the list, which presumably resets the playtesting requirements for it.

- The Skitarii list has to be a variant list because the Mechanicus AC has shown antipathy towards my requirements for a Skitarii list for my supplement.

- The Mechanicus Armoured Tank List will need to be different, because the current Experimental list has, I'm moderately sure, more army list choice options than any other currently-active Epic list. It will never be balanced, certainly not at the rate of progress demonstrated on the Mechanicus lists over the last ~2 years.

I have also been very consistent in stating that I'd like to include EpicUK versions of lists too, where there is an equivalent list, because this supplement has always been intended for everybody.

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Obviously, you are free to organise this in any way that you choose, but if I were on the NetERC (which I am not) I would be concerned with a supplement that uses SOME of the 'official' development but not others at the whim of one person alone. On the other hand, if this is a personal project for you to come up with variant lists of the ones that you are not happy with for whatever reason, perhaps that should be stated from the outset.

Supplements have never been anything other than personal projects.

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If the players support theese lists and do the neccesary work to get them approved I see mo problem with the NetERC overruling the AC and declarung theeeses list official instead. Thats actually a very democratic thing.

I have zero interest in that happening.

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jimmyzimms wrote:
The document in OP has the lists included. However they may or may not need to be updated with more current versions (for instance, the IF / BT list reboots currently underway). Our werewolf can comment on what he wants to use/test. AFAIK, from E&C's statements, this isn't under the NetEA banner (again, please correct pimp-slap me if incorrect).

Just to be clear, if I can have links to the current IF & BT lists, I will update the Supplement lists to match them.

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I can confirm I have a decent amount of crimson fists photo's: 1 of each Codex unit I believe...

Those would be excellent to have; I believe you have my email address?

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