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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Updated for most recent version of the formula (V0.46) _____________ Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold __ Chaos Marine models Chaos Champion: ______ 102.2 ____ -25.73 ___ +2.2 Chaos Marine: _________ 31.2 _____ -4.05 ___ -8.8 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 40.56 ____ -5.265 __ -9.44 Chaos Terminator: _____ 56.03 ____ -8.775 _ +11.03 Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 106.96 ___ -25.73 __ +61.96 Forward Observer: _____ 44.64 _____ 0 _____ -55.36 Havok: ________________ 37.8 _____ -0.9 ___ -22.2 Raptor Marine: ________ 22.8 _____ -6.975 _ -17.2 Drop Pod Assault: _________ 64.26 ____ 0 ____ +64.26 Drop Pod Support: _________ 79.38 ____ 0 ____ +79.38 Drop Pod Deathwind: _______ 76.86 ____ 0 ____ +76.86 Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 28.14 __ -14.4 ___ -1.86 Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 66.745 _ -28 ____ +36.75 Land Speeder: _______________ 55.74 ___ -6.06 _ +15.74 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 26.4 __ 0 ___ -11.1 Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 30 ___ -4.8 __ +5 Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 32.4 _ -2.4 __ +7.4 Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 33 ____ 0 ____ +8 Chaos Land Raider: __________ 76.066 __ -6.825 _ -8.934 Chaos Land Raider, Command _ 126.02 __ -11.55 _ +41.02 Defiler: ____________________ 97.2 ____ -7.2 __ +32.2 Hunter Anti-Aircraft: _______ 53.7 _____ 0 _____ +3.7 Predator: ___________________ 53.7 _____ 0 ____ -11.3 Rhino: ______________________ 34.365 ___ 0 ____ +19.37 Rhino, Scout Command: _______ 88.851 ___ 0 ____ +73.85 Vindicator: _________________ 51.6 _____ 0 _____ +1.6 Mole Mortar: _ 55.028 ___ -0.9 ___ +20.028 Rapier: ______ 25.8 _____ +2.7 ____ +0.8 Tarantula: ___ 64.75 ____ -1.05 __ +34.75 Thudd Gun: ___ 17.303 ___ -0.9 ___ -17.7 Whirlwind: _ 44.67 __ 0 __ -20.33 Dreadclaw: _ 184.43 ___ -49.88 _ +84.43 Warhound hull: __ 293.57 _ -51.52 __ +168.6 Reaver hull: ____ 331.49 _ -48.3 ____ +31.49 Warlord hull: ___ 407.53 _ -36.84 ___ -92.47 __ Chaos Marine Formations _ Company Chaos Marine Company: _ 445 __ -71 __ -155 Havok Company: ________ 518 __ -36 __ -282 Bike Company: _________ 376 _ -187 ___ -74 Land Raider Company: __ 582 __ -53 __ -168 Terminator Company: __ 1052 _ -142 ___ +52 _ Special Chaos Champion: ___ 102 __ -26 ____ +2 Drop Pods: ________ 738 ____ 0 __ +438 Forward Observer: __ 62 ____ 0 ___ -38 Warhound hull: ____ 294 __ -51 __ +169 2x Warhound hulls _ 587 _ -101 __ +587 Reaver hull: ______ 331 __ -49 ___ +31 Warlord hull: _____ 408 __ -33 ___ -92 _ Support Chaos Marine Warband: ______ 119 __ -15 ___ -81 Chaos Marine Veterans: _____ 154 __ -20 ___ -96 Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 282 __ -37 ___ -68 Havok Warband: _____________ 144 ___ -3 __ -156 Raptor Warband: ____________ 87 __ -26 __ -113 Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 79 ____ 0 ___ -71 Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 94 __ -10 ____ -6 Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 98 ___ -4 ____ -2 CSM Bike Warband: __________ 107 __ -55 ___ -43 Landspeeder: _______________ 212 __ -23 ___ +12 Hunter AA Battery: _________ 125 ____ 0 ___ -25 Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 164 __ -15 ___ -86 Defilers: __________________ 227 __ -17 ___ +27 Rhino: ______________________ 67 __ -13 ___ +17 Predator: __________________ 125 ____ 0 ___ -75 Vindicator: ________________ 120 ____ 0 ___ -30 Mole Mortar: _______________ 128 ___ -2 ___ +28 Rapier Battery: _____________ 60 ___ +6 ___ -15 Tarantula Battery: _________ 246 ___ -4 ___ +96 Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 40 ___ -2 ___ -60 Whirlwind Battery: _________ 104 ____ 0 ___ -96 Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 184 __ -50 ___ +84 _ Black Legion BL Century ______ 445 ___ -71 __ -155 Battle Century __ 439 ___ -70 __ -211 Assault Century _ 442 ___ -59 __ -258 Obliterator Squad _ 106 __ -3 __ -294 Sample Army ___________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold ---Black Legion (pdf pg9) Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600 -Su Obliterators ______ 106 __ 109 __ 400 Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600 -Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50 -Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50 -Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50 -Su Land Raider _______ 164 __ 179 __ 250 Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600 -Su C.Dreadnought ______ 79 ___ 79 __ 150 -Su CSM.Bike __________ 107 __ 162 __ 150 -Su C.M.Dreadclaw _____ 184 __ 234 __ 100 --- Totals ___________ 2205 _ 2506 _ 3000 _ Iron Warriors _ _ Model cost (added or changed) Chaos Champion ______ 112.42 __ -28.3 ___ +12.42 Chaos Marine _________ 34.32 ___ -4.455 __ -5.68 Chaos Marine Veteran _ 44.616 __ -5.792 __ -5.384 Chaos Terminator _____ 61.633 __ -9.653 _ +16.63 Chaos Terminator HQ _ 117.66 __ -28.3 ___ +72.66 Forward Observer _____ 49.104 ___ 0 _____ -50.896 Warsmith _____________ 52.36 ___ -1.155 _ -47.64 Iron Dreadnought ____ 104.98 ____ 0 _____ +44.98 Basilisk ____________ 148.32 ____ 0 _____ +83.32 Bombard _____________ 209.4 _____ 0 ____ +144.4 Leviathan ___________ 752.61 ___ -9.66 _ +402.61 Hellbore ____________ 500.41 __ -59.17 _ +100.41 _ Formations (added or changed) _ _ Company IW Century ___________ 490 ___ -77 __ -110 IW Century Hellbore __ 990 __ -137 __ +990 Havok Company ________ 528 ___ -26 __ -272 IW Siege Century _____ 776 ___ -19 ___ -24 Chaos Terminator ____ 1110 __ -153 __ +263 C.Terminator Hellbore 1159 __ -172 _ +1159 (replace Land Raiders with a Hellbore) IW Vindicator ________ 440 ____ -1 ___ -60 _ _ Special Chaos Champion __ 112 __ -29 ___ +12 Forward Observer _ 67 ____ 0 ___ -33 Warsmith _________ 65 ___ -1 ___ -35 Leviathan _______ 753 ___ -9 __ +403 _ _ Support Chaos Marine _________ 130 __ -17 ___ -70 Chaos Marine Veteran _ 170 __ -22 ___ -80 Chaos Terminator _____ 299 __ -39 ___ -51 Iron Dreadnoughts ____ 399 ____ 0 ___ +99 Basilisk _____________ 346 ____ 0 __ +146 Bombard ______________ 489 ____ 0 __ +289 |
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| Author: | primarch [ Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Hi! Great thanks! Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Made a couple of calculation errors here as well. Vindicator: 64 (+18); Support: 155 (+45) Mole Mortar: 31.5 (+20.35); Support: 75 (+50) Thudd Gun: 27 (+18); Support: 65 (+45) Whirlwind: 56 (+18); Support: 135 (+45) |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Note that the Rapier suffers the same problem here as with the normal Space Marines. I have not yet instituted a minimum cost as seeing just how many models are affected could be useful information. __ Values for Plan: ____ A _____ B _____ C _____ D _____ E _____ F _ Chaos Marine models Chaos Champion: ______ 113 ____ 99.5 _ 113 ____ 99.5 _ 134 ___ 120.5 Chaos Marine: _________ 44 ____ 35 ____ 44 ____ 35 ____ 48.5 __ 39.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 64 ____ 55 ____ 64 ____ 55 ____ 68.5 __ 59.5 Chaos Terminator: _____ 78.8 __ 66.2 __ 78.8 __ 66.2 __ 87.8 __ 75.2 Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 119.2 _ 100.3 _ 119.2 _ 100.3 _ 140.2 _ 121.3 Forward Observer: _____ 52 ____ 50.5 __ 52 ____ 50.5 __ 52 ____ 50.5 Havok: ________________ 42 ____ 24 ____ 42 ____ 24 ____ 43 ____ 25 Raptor: _______________ 31.5 __ 30 ____ 31.5 __ 30 ____ 39 ____ 37.5 Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 24 ___ 24 ____ 24 ____ 24 ____ 24 ___ 24 Drop Pod – Support: ___ 43 ___ 22.75 _ 43 ____ 22.75 _ 43 ___ 22.75 Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 17.5 _ 17.5 __ 16.75 _ 16.75 _ 17.5 _ 16.75 Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 24.6 _ 24.15 _ 24.6 _ 24.15 _ 32.6 _ 32.15 Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 46.9 _ 46.23 _ 46.9 _ 46.23 _ 56.9 _ 56.23 Land Speeder: _______________ 52 ___ 43 ____ 52 ___ 43 ____ 67 ___ 58 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 28 _ 22 ___ 28 _ 22 ___ 28 _ 22 Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 34 _ 31 ___ 34 _ 31 ___ 38 _ 35 Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 34 _ 25 ___ 34 _ 25 ___ 36 _ 27 Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 32 _ 18.5 _ 32 _ 18.5 _ 32 _ 18.5 Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 84.03 _ 55.51 __ 84.03 _ 55.51 __ 90.03 _ 61.51 Chaos Land Raider, Command: _ 115.5 __ 73.51 _ 115.5 __ 73.51 _ 124.5 __ 82.51 Defiler: ____________________ 135 ____ 81 ____ 135 ____ 81 ____ 159 ___ 105 Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 70 ____ 34 _____ 70 ____ 34 _____ 70 ____ 34 Predator: ____________________ 68 ____ 36.5 ___ 68 ____ 36.5 ___ 68 ____ 36.5 Rhino: _______________________ 31.03 _ 29.51 __ 31.03 _ 29.51 __ 31.03 _ 29.51 Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 56.03 _ 54.51 __ 56.03 _ 54.51 __ 56.03 _ 54.51 Vindicator: __________________ 64 ____ 37 _____ 64 ____ 37 _____ 64 ____ 37 Mole Mortar: _ 31.5 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 _ 11.25 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 Rapier: ______ 18 ____ 0 ___ 18 _____ 0 ____ 15 ___ -3 Tarantula: ___ 50 ____ 9.5 _ 50 _____ 9.5 __ 50 ____ 9.5 Thudd Gun: ___ 27 ___ 27 ____ 9 _____ 9 ____ 27 ____ 9 Whirlwind: _ 56 _ 56 _ 38 _ 38 _ 56 _ 38 Dreadclaw: _ 209 _ 182 _ 209 _ 182 _ 269 _ 242 Warhound: _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 543 _ 543 Reaver: ___ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 630 _ 630 Warlord: __ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 695 _ 695 _ Chaos Marine Formations (default BP 100%) _ Company Chaos Marine Company: _ 430 _ 345 _ 430 _ 345 __ 475 _ 395 Havok Company: ________ 410 _ 255 _ 410 _ 255 __ 435 _ 280 Bike Company: _________ 230 _ 225 _ 230 _ 225 __ 300 _ 295 Land Raider Company: __ 370 _ 240 _ 370 _ 240 __ 395 _ 270 Terminator Company: ___ 995 _ 770 _ 995 _ 770 _ 1100 _ 870 _Special Chaos Champion: __ 125 _ 110 _ 125 _ 110 _ 150 _ 135 Drop Pods: _______ 210 _ 175 _ 210 _ 175 _ 210 _ 175 Forward Observer: _ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 Warhound Titan: __ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 610 _ 610 Reaver Titan: ____ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 705 _ 705 Warlord Titan: ___ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 780 _ 780 _ Support CSM Warband: _______________ 160 _ 125 _ 160 _ 125 _ 175 _ 140 CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 250 _ 215 _ 250 _ 215 _ 265 _ 230 Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 315 _ 245 _ 315 _ 245 _ 345 _ 275 Havok Warband: _____________ 150 __ 85 _ 150 __ 85 _ 155 __ 90 Raptor Warband: ____________ 115 _ 110 _ 115 _ 110 _ 140 _ 135 Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55 Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 80 __ 65 __ 80 __ 65 __ 85 __ 70 Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 80 __ 50 __ 80 __ 50 __ 80 __ 55 CSM Bike Warband: ___________ 90 __ 85 __ 90 __ 85 _ 115 _ 115 Landspeeder: _______________ 185 _ 155 _ 185 _ 155 _ 240 _ 210 Hunter AA Battery: _________ 170 __ 80 _ 170 __ 80 _ 170 __ 80 Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 220 _ 145 _ 220 _ 145 _ 235 _ 160 Defilers: __________________ 325 _ 195 _ 325 _ 195 _ 380 _ 250 Rhino: ______________________ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70 Predator: __________________ 165 __ 90 _ 165 __ 90 _ 165 __ 90 Vindicator: ________________ 155 __ 90 _ 155 __ 90 _ 155 __ 90 Mole Mortar: ________________ 75 __ 75 __ 25 __ 25 __ 75 __ 25 Rapier Battery: _____________ 45 ___ 0 __ 45 ___ 0 __ 35 __ -5 Tarantula Battery: _________ 210 __ 40 _ 210 __ 40 _ 210 __ 40 Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 65 __ 65 __ 20 __ 20 __ 65 __ 20 Whirlwind Battery: _________ 135 _ 135 __ 90 __ 90 _ 135 __ 90 Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 250 _ 220 _ 250 _ 220 _ 325 _ 290 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Missed the errata to the Marine Bikers. __ Chaos Marine models Chaos Champion: ______ 120.5 Chaos Marine: _________ 39.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 59.5 Chaos Terminator: _____ 75.2 Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 121.3 Forward Observer: _____ 50.5 Havok: ________________ 25 Raptor: _______________ 37.5 Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 43.5 Drop Pod – Support: ___ 42.75 Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 36.75 Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 40.15 Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 74.23 Land Speeder: _______________ 58 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 22 Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 35 Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 27 Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 18.5 Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 61.01 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Chaos Land Raider, Command: __ 92.01 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Defiler: ____________________ 105 Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 34 Predator: ____________________ 36.5 Rhino: _______________________ 29.38 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 74.88 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Vindicator: __________________ 37 Mole Mortar: _ 11.25 Rapier: ______ -3 Tarantula: ____ 9.5 Thudd Gun: ____ 9 Whirlwind: _ 38 Dreadclaw: _ 238.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2] Warhound: _ 543 Reaver: ___ 630 Warlord: __ 695 __ Chaos Marine Formations _ Company Chaos Marine Company: _ 395 Havok Company: ________ 280 Bike Company: _________ 370 Land Raider Company: __ 270 Terminator Company: ___ 875 _Special Chaos Champion: __ 135 Drop Pods: _______ 325 Forward Observer: _ 70 Warhound Titan: __ 610 Reaver Titan: ____ 705 Warlord Titan: ___ 780 _ Support CSM Warband: _______________ 140 CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 230 Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 275 Havok Warband: ______________ 90 Raptor Warband: ____________ 135 Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 55 Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 70 Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 55 CSM Bike Warband: __________ 145 Landspeeder: _______________ 210 Hunter AA Battery: __________ 80 Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 160 Defilers: __________________ 250 Rhino: ______________________ 70 Predator: ___________________ 90 Vindicator: _________________ 90 Mole Mortar: ________________ 25 Rapier Battery: ______________ 0 Tarantula Battery: __________ 40 Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 20 Whirlwind Battery: __________ 90 Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 285 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Updated for tweak2. Rapier fixed here as well. No surprise there. __ Chaos Marine models Chaos Champion: ______ 121 Chaos Marine: _________ 40.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 60.5 Chaos Terminator: _____ 74.4 Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 122.6 Forward Observer: _____ 50 Havok: ________________ 29 Raptor: _______________ 37 Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 40.5 Drop Pod – Support: ___ 46.5 Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 34.13 Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 39.3 Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 73.45 Land Speeder: _______________ 60 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 22 Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 34 Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 28 Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 21 Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 65.51 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Chaos Land Raider, Command: _ 101 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Defiler: ____________________ 117 Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 43 Predator: ____________________ 43 Rhino: _______________________ 26.89 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 72.39 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Vindicator: __________________ 41 Mole Mortar: _ 21.38 Rapier: _______ 3 Tarantula: ___ 23 Thudd Gun: ___ 18 Whirlwind: _ 44 Dreadclaw: _ 243.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2] Warhound: _ 516.5 Reaver: ___ 577.8 Warlord: __ 638.3 __ Chaos Marine Formations _ Company Chaos Marine Company: _ 404 Havok Company: ________ 311 Bike Company: _________ 365 Land Raider Company: __ 294 Terminator Company: ___ 893 _Special Chaos Champion: __ 136 Drop Pods: _______ 317 Forward Observer: _ 68 Warhound Titan: __ 578 Reaver Titan: ____ 647 Warlord Titan: ___ 715 _ Support CSM Warband: _______________ 146 CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 236 Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 279 Havok Warband: _____________ 104 Raptor Warband: ____________ 133 Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 53 Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 70 Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 59 CSM Bike Warband: __________ 141 Landspeeder: _______________ 216 Hunter AA Battery: _________ 103 Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 170 Defilers: __________________ 280 Rhino: ______________________ 65 Predator: __________________ 103 Vindicator: _________________ 98 Mole Mortar: ________________ 51 Rapier Battery: ______________ 6 Tarantula Battery: __________ 97 Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 43 Whirlwind Battery: _________ 106 Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 292 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat May 02, 2015 1:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated for changes to template weapons. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated for V0.33 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated for V0.34 |
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| Author: | primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Hi! Another list that has no values that stand out. Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated to V0.4 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated to V0.41 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
OP updated for V0.42 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list |
Fixed minor error on Defiler cost. |
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