Hi!
I like how cheap cultists are. They should be used more often in big masses.
Primarch
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Updated for most recent version of the formula (V0.46) ______________ Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold __ Chaos Renegades Android: ______________ 17.82 ____ -3.24 __ -7.18 Aspiring Champion: ____ 47.95 ____ -9.8 ___ -2.05 Beastmen: _____________ 11 _______ -2.25 __ -9 Chaos Champion: ______ 102.2 ____ -25.73 __ +2.2 Chaos Marine: _________ 31.2 _____ -4.05 __ -8.8 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 40.56 ____ -5.265 _ -9.44 Chaos Squat: __________ 17.4 _____ -1.8 __ -12.6 Cultist: _______________ 9.5 ______ 0 ____ -10.5 Gretchin: ______________ 5.8568 __ +0.64 __ -6.643 Havok: ________________ 37.8 _____ -0.9 __ -22.2 Minotaur: _____________ 19.25 ____ -4.125 _ -0.75 Ogryn Squad: __________ 22.33 ____ -4.95 __ -7.67 Ork Boyz: _____________ 12.65 ____ -1.65 _ -12.35 Raptor Marine: ________ 22.8 _____ -6.975_ -17.2 Renegade Psyker: ______ 35.5 ______ 0 _____ -2 Slave: _________________ 6.5 ______ 0 _____ -8.5 Troll: ________________ 20.79 ____ -4.455 _ +0.79 Cultist Rider: _ 14 _____ -2 ___ -6 Biker: _________ 13.005 _ -2.7 _ -6.995 Chaos Dreadnought: _ 26.4 _____ 0 __ -11.1 Chaos Spawn: _______ 44.567 ___ 0 ___ -5.433 Leman Russ: _ 51.55 ____ -3.5 __ -33.45 Rhino: ______ 28.638 ____ 0 ____ +13.64 Rapier: ______ 21.5 ___ +2.25 __ -3.5 Zulu AA Gun: _ 15.638 _ -2.025 _ -4.363 Dreadclaw: __ 184.43 __ -49.88 __ +84.43 Hell Blade: _ 140.55 _ -142.7 ___ +55.55 Hell Talon: _ 178.37 __ -99.38 _ -172 Death Wheel: _ 198.6 ___ -67.5 __ -51.4 Decimator: ___ 175.5 ____ +9 ___ -124.5 Warhound hull: __ 293.57 __ -51.52 _ +168.6 Reaver hull: ____ 331.49 __ -48.3 ___ +31.49 Warlord hull: ___ 407.53 __ -33.81 __ -92.47 __ Chaos Renegade Formations _ Company: Chaos Renegades: _ 322 __ -43 __ -278 Cultist Army: ____ 188 __ -10 __ -212 Beastmen Horde: __ 286 __ -59 __ -214 Monster Horde: ___ 381 __ -81 ___ -18 _ Special: Chaos Champion: __ 102 __ -26 ____ +2 Chaos Spawn: ______ 45 ____ 0 __ -105 Renegade Psykers _ 107 ____ 0 ___ -43 Slave Warband: ____ 49 ____ 0 __ -101 Death Wheel: _____ 199 __ -67 ___ -51 Warhound hull: ___ 294 __ -51 __ +169 2x Warhound hulls_ 587 _ -101 __ +587 Reaver hull: _____ 331 __ -49 ___ +31 Warlord hull: ____ 408 __ -33 ___ -92 _ Support: Androids: _______________ 53 __ -10 ____ +3 Beastmen Warband: _______ 83 __ -16 __ -117 Chaos Squat: ____________ 73 ___ -8 ___ -77 Chaos Marine Warband: __ 119 __ -15 ___ -81 Chaos Marine Veterans: _ 154 __ -20 ___ -96 Cultist Warband: ________ 71 ____ 0 __ -129 Gretchin Bandits: _______ 18 ___ +2 ___ -32 Havok Warband: _________ 144 ___ -3 __ -156 Minotaur Warband: ______ 188 __ -40 ___ -62 Ogryn Warband: __________ 67 __ -15 ___ -48 Ork Boyz Warband: _______ 38 ___ -5 ___ -62 Raptor Warband: _________ 87 __ -26 __ -113 Troll Warband: _________ 199 __ -42 ___ -51 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 79 ____ 0 ___ -71 Cultist Riders: _________ 53 __ -15 ___ -47 Biker Warband: __________ 49 __ -11 ___ -51 Leman Russ: ____________ 120 ___ -8 __ -130 Rhino: __________________ 67 ____ 0 ___ +17 Rapier Battery: _________ 50 ___ +5 ___ -25 Zulu AA Battery: ________ 59 ___ -8 ___ -41 Dreadclaw Assault: _____ 184 __ -50 ___ +84 Hell Talon: ____________ 178 _ -100 ___ +72 Hell Blade: ____________ 328 _ -285 ___ +78 Decimator: _____________ 176 ___ +9 __ -124 Sample Army _________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold ---Greyclaw's Horde (pdf p9) Chaos Renegades _____ 322 __ 365 __ 600 -Sp Renegade Psykers _ 107 __ 120 __ 150 -Su Biker _____________ 49 ___ 60 __ 100 -Su Ork Boyz __________ 38 ___ 43 __ 100 Cultist Army _________ 188 __ 198 __ 400 -Su Cultist __________ 71 ___ 71 __ 200 -Su Cultist __________ 71 ___ 71 __ 200 -Su Cultist Riders ____ 53 ___ 68 __ 100 -Su Rapier ____________ 50 ___ 45 ___ 75 -Su Rapier ____________ 50 ___ 45 ___ 75 Beastmen Horde _______ 286 __ 345 __ 500 -Su Troll ____________ 199 __ 241 __ 250 -Su Minotaur _________ 188 __ 228 __ 250 --- Totals _________ 1673 _ 1900 _ 3000 |
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| Author: | primarch [ Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Hi! I like how cheap cultists are. They should be used more often in big masses. Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Apologies, I made couple of errors when calculating weapon costs. Changes are: Hell Talon 424 (+26); Support: 510 (+35) |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Note that both the Rapier and the Zulu AA have negative/zero value errors. The Gretchin also do at the end, but not until then, and only due to rounding. __ Values for Plan: ____ A ____ B _____ C ____ D _____ E _____ F _ Chaos Renegades Android: ______________ 30 ___ 27 ____ 30 ___ 27 ____ 34 ___ 31 Aspiring Champion: ____ 49 ___ 46.75 _ 49 ___ 46.75 _ 57 ___ 54.75 Beastmen: _____________ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 23 ___ 21.5 Chaos Champion: ______ 113 ___ 99.5 _ 113 ___ 99.5 _ 134 __ 120.5 Chaos Marine: _________ 44 ___ 35 ____ 44 ___ 35 ____ 48.5 _ 39.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 64 ___ 55 ____ 64 ___ 55 ____ 68.5 _ 59.5 Chaos Squat: __________ 22 ___ 16 ____ 22 ___ 16 ____ 24 ___ 18 Cultist: ______________ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7 Gretchin: ______________ 3.8 __ 2.45 __ 3.8 __ 2.45 __ 2.8 __ 1.45 Havok: ________________ 42 ___ 24 ____ 42 ___ 24 ____ 43 ___ 25 Minotaur: _____________ 34 ___ 34 ____ 34 ___ 34 ____ 39 ___ 39 Ogryn Squad: __________ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 46.4 _ 44.6 Ork Boyz: _____________ 18 ___ 15 ____ 18 ___ 15 ____ 20 ___ 17 Raptor Marine: ________ 31.5 _ 30 ____ 31.5 _ 30 ____ 39 ___ 37.5 Renegade Psyker: ______ 44 ___ 30.5 __ 44 ___ 30.5 __ 44 ___ 30.5 Slave: _________________ 6 ____ 6 _____ 6 ____ 6 _____ 6 ____ 6 Troll: ________________ 54 ___ 54 ____ 54 ___ 54 ____ 59 ___ 59 Cultist Rider: _ 12 ___ 12 ____ 12 ___ 12 ____ 14 ___ 14 Biker: _________ 14.6 _ 14.15 _ 14.6 _ 14.15 _ 17.6 _ 17.15 Chaos Dreadnought: _ 28 ____ 22 ____ 28 ____ 22 ____ 28 ____ 22 Chaos Spawn: _______ 46.33 _ 44.83 _ 46.33 _ 44.83 _ 46.33 _ 44.83 Leman Russ: _ 73.03 _ 43.78 _ 73.03 _ 43.78 _ 77.03 _ 47.78 Rhino: ______ 31.03 _ 29.51 _ 31.03 _ 29.51 _ 31.03 _ 29.51 Rapier: ______ 18 ____ 0 ___ 18 ____ 0 ___ 15 _ -3 Zulu AA Gun: _ 25.5 _ -1.5 _ 25.5 _ -1.5 _ 27 __ 0 Dreadclaw: __ 209 _ 182 ___ 209 _ 182 ___ 269 _ 242 Hell Blade: _ 158 _ 153.5 _ 158 _ 153.5 _ 302 _ 297.5 Hell Talon: _ 424 _ 406 ___ 388 _ 370 ___ 557 _ 503 Death Wheel: _ 218 _ 167 _ 218 _ 167 _ 338 _ 287 Decimator: ___ 230 _ 116 _ 230 _ 116 _ 248 _ 134 Warhound: _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 543 _ 543 Reaver: ___ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 630 _ 630 Warlord: __ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 695 _ 695 _ Chaos Renegade Formations (BP 100%) _ Company: Chaos Renegades: _ 285 _ 240 _ 285 _ 240 _ 315 _ 270 Cultist Army: ____ 120 __ 90 _ 120 __ 90 _ 125 __ 95 Beastmen Horde: __ 300 _ 285 _ 300 _ 285 _ 350 _ 105 Monster Horde: ___ 470 _ 470 _ 470 _ 470 _ 530 _ 525 _ Special: Chaos Champion: __ 125 _ 110 _ 125 _ 110 _ 150 _ 135 Chaos Spawn: _____ 155 _ 155 _ 155 _ 150 _ 155 _ 150 Renegade Psykers: _ 70 __ 50 __ 70 __ 50 __ 70 __ 50 Slave Warband: ____ 25 __ 25 __ 25 __ 25 __ 25 __ 25 Death Wheel: _____ 210 _ 160 _ 210 _ 160 _ 325 _ 275 Warhound Titan: __ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 610 _ 610 Reaver Titan: ____ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 705 _ 705 Warlord Titan: ___ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 780 _ 780 _ Support: Androids: _______________ 65 __ 60 __ 65 __ 60 __ 75 __ 65 Beastmen Warband: ______ 100 __ 95 _ 100 __ 95 _ 115 _ 105 Chaos Squat: ___________ 105 __ 75 _ 105 __ 75 _ 115 __ 85 Chaos Marine Warband: __ 160 _ 125 _ 160 _ 125 _ 175 _ 140 Chaos Marine Veterans: _ 250 _ 215 _ 250 _ 215 _ 265 _ 230 Cultist Warband: ________ 50 __ 35 __ 50 __ 35 __ 50 __ 35 Gretchin Bandits: ________ 5 ___ 5 ___ 5 ___ 5 ___ 5 ___ 0 (2.48) Havok Warband: _________ 150 __ 85 _ 150 __ 85 _ 155 __ 90 Minotaur Warband: ______ 240 _ 240 _ 240 _ 240 _ 280 _ 275 Ogryn Warband: __________ 90 __ 85 __ 90 __ 85 _ 100 _ 100 Ork Boyz Warband: _______ 40 __ 35 __ 40 __ 35 __ 45 __ 35 Raptor Warband: ________ 115 _ 110 _ 115 _ 110 _ 140 _ 135 Troll Warband: _________ 330 _ 325 _ 330 _ 325 _ 360 _ 360 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55 Cultist Riders: _________ 35 __ 35 __ 35 __ 35 __ 40 __ 40 Biker Warband: __________ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 50 __ 45 Leman Russ: ____________ 145 __ 90 _ 145 __ 90 _ 155 __ 95 Rhino: __________________ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 60 Rapier Battery: _________ 35 ___ 0 __ 35 ___ 0 __ 30 __ -6 Zulu AA Battery: ________ 70 __ -5 __ 70 __ -5 __ 75 ___ 0 Dreadclaw Assault: _____ 250 _ 220 _ 250 _ 220 _ 325 _ 290 Hell Talon: ____________ 510 _ 485 _ 465 _ 445 _ 670 _ 605 Hell Blade: ____________ 380 _ 370 _ 380 _ 370 _ 725 _ 715 Decimator: _____________ 275 _ 140 _ 275 _ 140 _ 300 _ 160 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Fascinating. I seem to have forgotten to update these for the tweak runs. I thought I had done all of the lists. Well, I seem to have forgotten to post the update anyway. The following includes the tweak runs (first batch), transport revision, and errata update. __ Chaos Renegades Android: ______________ 31 Aspiring Champion: ____ 54.75 Beastmen: _____________ 21.5 Chaos Champion: ______ 120.5 Chaos Marine: _________ 39.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 59.5 Chaos Squat: __________ 18 Cultist: _______________ 7 Gretchin: ______________ 1.45 Havok: ________________ 25 Minotaur: _____________ 39 Ogryn Squad: __________ 44.6 Ork Boyz: _____________ 17 Raptor Marine: ________ 37.5 Renegade Psyker: ______ 30.5 Slave: _________________ 6 Troll: ________________ 59 Cultist Rider: _ 20 Biker: _________ 17.15 Chaos Dreadnought: _ 22 Chaos Spawn: _______ 44.83 Leman Russ: _ 47.78 Rhino: ______ 29.38 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Rapier: ______ -3 Zulu AA Gun: __ 0 Dreadclaw: __ 238.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2] Hell Blade: _ 297.5 Hell Talon: _ 503 Death Wheel: _ 287 Decimator: ___ 134 Warhound: _ 543 Reaver: ___ 630 Warlord: __ 695 _ Chaos Renegade Formations _ Company: Chaos Renegades: _ 270 Cultist Army: _____ 95 Beastmen Horde: __ 330 Monster Horde: ___ 525 _ Special: Chaos Champion: __ 135 Chaos Spawn: _____ 150 Renegade Psykers: _ 50 Slave Warband: ____ 25 Death Wheel: _____ 275 Warhound Titan: __ 610 Reaver Titan: ____ 705 Warlord Titan: ___ 780 _ Support: Androids: _______________ 65 Beastmen Warband: ______ 105 Chaos Squat: ____________ 85 Chaos Marine Warband: __ 140 Chaos Marine Veterans: _ 230 Cultist Warband: ________ 35 Gretchin Bandits: ________ 0 (2.48) Havok Warband: __________ 90 Minotaur Warband: ______ 275 Ogryn Warband: _________ 100 Ork Boyz Warband: _______ 35 Raptor Warband: ________ 135 Troll Warband: _________ 360 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 55 Cultist Riders: _________ 60 Biker Warband: __________ 45 Leman Russ: _____________ 95 Rhino: __________________ 60 Rapier Battery: __________ 0 Zulu AA Battery: _________ 0 Dreadclaw Assault: _____ 285 Hell Talon: ____________ 605 Hell Blade: ____________ 715 Decimator: _____________ 160 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Updated for tweak2. __ Chaos Renegades Android: ______________ 31 Aspiring Champion: ____ 53.5 Beastmen: _____________ 22 Chaos Champion: ______ 121 Chaos Marine: _________ 40.5 Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 60.5 Chaos Squat: __________ 20 Cultist: _______________ 8 Gretchin: ______________ 1.9 Havok: ________________ 29 Minotaur: _____________ 37 Ogryn Squad: __________ 43.2 Ork Boyz: _____________ 18 Raptor Marine: ________ 37 Renegade Psyker: ______ 35 Slave: _________________ 6 Troll: ________________ 57 Cultist Rider: _ 20 Biker: _________ 17.3 Chaos Dreadnought: _ 22 Chaos Spawn: _______ 42.83 Leman Russ: _ 55.55 Rhino: ______ 26.89 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] Rapier: ______ 3 Zulu AA Gun: _ 9 Dreadclaw: __ 243.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2] Hell Blade: _ 296 Hell Talon: _ 519.5 Death Wheel: _ 298 Decimator: ___ 160 Warhound: _ 516.5 Reaver: ___ 577.8 Warlord: __ 638.3 _ Chaos Renegade Formations _ Company: Chaos Renegades: _ 278 Cultist Army: ____ 106 Beastmen Horde: __ 330 Monster Horde: ___ 504 _ Special: Chaos Champion: __ 136 Chaos Spawn: _____ 144 Renegade Psykers: _ 56 Slave Warband: ____ 24 Death Wheel: _____ 286 Warhound Titan: __ 578 Reaver Titan: ____ 647 Warlord Titan: ___ 715 _ Support: Androids: _______________ 67 Beastmen Warband: ______ 110 Chaos Squat: ____________ 96 Chaos Marine Warband: __ 146 Chaos Marine Veterans: _ 236 Cultist Warband: ________ 40 Gretchin Bandits: ________ 3 Havok Warband: _________ 104 Minotaur Warband: ______ 263 Ogryn Warband: __________ 95 Ork Boyz Warband: _______ 40 Raptor Warband: ________ 133 Troll Warband: _________ 349 Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 53 Cultist Riders: _________ 60 Biker Warband: __________ 47 Leman Russ: ____________ 111 Rhino: __________________ 54 Rapier Battery: __________ 6 Zulu AA Battery: ________ 24 Dreadclaw Assault: _____ 292 Hell Talon: ____________ 623 Hell Blade: ____________ 710 Decimator: _____________ 192 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat May 02, 2015 12:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated with most recent values. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated for V0.33 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated for V0.34 |
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| Author: | primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Hi! This list looks good as is, nothing really stands out. Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated for V0.4 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated for V0.41 Added Morale and Command / Orders adjustments to Model cost. Removed Formation Type discount. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
OP updated to V0.42 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Chaos Renegades list |
Updated to V0.43. |
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