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Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Points formula values for Orks |
Updated to most recent version of the formula (version 0.46). _______________________ Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold _ Ork models: Freebooterz Kaptin _ 30.1 ___ -2.1 __ +25.1 Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 6.05 __ -0.825 _ +1.05 Mekboy: ____________ 58.1 ___ -3.15 _ -41.9 Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 63 ____ -14.7 __ -37 Painboy: ___________ 45.5 ___ -3.15 _ -54.5 Runtherd: __________ 42.7 ___ -3.15 _ -32.3 Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 38.5 ___ -8.14 __ +8.5 Warboss: ___________ 83.3 __ -18.375_ -16.7 Warlord: __________ 106.4 __ -25.725_ -93.6 Weirdboy: _________ 584.43 ___ 0 ___ +484.43 Weirdboy Minder: ____ 9.24 __ -0.66 _ -15.76 Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 14.52 __ -0.66 __ -10.48 Blood Axe Boyz: ____ 9.24 __ -0.66 __ -15.76 BA Kommando Kaptin: 40.32 __ -5.67 __ -14.68 BA Kommando: ______ 14.52 __ -2.61 __ -15.48 Deathskull Boyz: ___ 9.24 __ -0.66 __ -15.76 Deathskull Shoota:_ 30.888 _ -2.112 _ -19.112 Evil Sunz Boyz: ____ 9.24 __ -0.66 __ -15.76 Goff Boyz: ________ 11 _____ -1.98 __ -14 Gretchin: __________ 6.028 __ 0.66 ___ -0.222 Madboyz: __________ 14.7 ___ -1.05 ___ +9.7 Nobz: _____________ 81.2 __ -14.7 ___ +31.2 Riggerz: __________ 17.5 ___ -1.05 __ +17.5 Snakebite Boyz: ___ 10.2 ___ -1.32 __ -14.88 Stormboyz: ________ 14 _____ -1.81 __ -16 Wildboyz: __________ 8.36 __ -1.98 __ -10.39 Bikeboyz: ______ 18.194 __ -10.56 ___ -1.806 Nobz Warbike: __ 94.5 ____ -52.5 ___ +54.5 Boarboyz SN: ___ 16.434 ___ -7.04 ___ -3.566 Killer Dreadnought: _______ 21.12 __ 0 __ -3.88 Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 37.84 __ 0 _ -12.16 Tinbot MK: ________________ 33.88 __ 0 __ +3.88 Battlewagon: __________________ 30.14 ___ -1.54 ___ -4.86 Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 72.1 ____ -3.85 __ +37.1 Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 60.55 ___ -3.85 __ +25.55 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 69.265 __ -3.85 __ +34.265 Bonebreaka: ___________________ 47.96 ___ -6.16 ___ -2.04 Bonecruncha: __________________ 43.12 ___ -6.16 ___ -6.88 Bowelburna ES: ________________ 26.037 _ -41.613 __ -7.263 Braincrusha: __________________ 43.34 ____ 0 _____ -41.66 Copter: _______________________ 47.6 _____ 0.1 ___ +17.6 Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 49.17 ____ 0 _____ +19.17 Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 54.736 ___ 0 ______ +4.736 Flakwagon MK: _________________ 34.98 ___ -2.42 __ -15.02 Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 17.38 ____ 0 ______ -2.62 Gutrippa G: ___________________ 37.84 ___ -6.16 ___ +2.84 Land Raider BA: _______________ 51.491 __ -4.62 __ -13.509 Lungbursta G: _________________ 33.88 ___ -5.5 ____ -1.12 Rhino BA: _____________________ 25.201 ___ 0 _____ +10.201 Scorcha: ______________________ 18.088 _ -12.272 __ +3.088 Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 29.04 ____ 0 _____ -12.627 Squiggoth: ____________________ 46.2 _____ 1.1 ____ -3.8 Trukk: ________________________ 25.311 ___ 0 ______ +5.311 Warbuggy: _____________________ 22 ______ -6.6 ____ +2 Wartrak: ______________________ 22.88 ___ -3.3 ____ +2.88 Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 400.84 ___ -2.42 _ +200.84 Bubble Chukka Speedsta: ______ 40.363 __ -7.304 _ -59.637 Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: __ 51.788 _ -13.596 _ -48.212 Dragsta: _____________________ 68.376 _ -10.824 _ -31.624 Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 73.436 _ -13.596 _ -26.564 Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 69.036 __ -5.544 _ -30.964 Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 11.352 _ -11.352 _ -18.648 Lobba: _________________ 19.118 _ -14.058 __ -0.882 Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 15.4 _____ 0.66 ___ -9.6 Zzap Gun: ______________ 13.42 ____ 4.62 ___ -6.58 Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 18.687 ___ 0 ____ -66.313 Squig Katapult: ___ 24.578 __ -0.66 _ -10.422 Soopa Gun MK: ____ 148.5 _____ 0 _____ -1.5 Traktor Kannon: ___ 12.54 ____ 0 _____ -2.46 Blasta Bomma: _________ 250.6 __ -103.95 __ -249.4 Bomma: ________________ 105.9 ____ -0.3025 __ +5.9032 Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 118.37 __ -38.72 ___ +53.37 Landa: _________________ 95.484 __ +5.808 ___ -4.5165 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit _ 118.03 __ +29.722 __ +68.026 Gibletgrinda: _____________ 182.7 ___ -8.4 ____ +82.7 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 170.49 _ -18.375 _ -229.51 Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 200.99 __ -6.6 ____ -49.008 Skullhamma: _______________ 130.11 __ -9.8 ____ +30.113 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] * Stompa: ___________________ 111.56 __ +2.464 __ +26.558 Super Stompa: _____________ 155.91 __ +3.08 __ -144.09 Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 203.02 __ -40.25 _ -246.98 Slasha Gargant hull: _ 286.33 ___ -9.66 __ -13.672 Great Gargant hull: __ 327.92 __ -12.075 _ -72.078 Mega-Gargant: ________ 836.11 ___ +5.03 _ -563.89 Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list. Formations _ Company Bad Moon Clan: ___ 439 __ -58 __ -161 Blood Axe Clan: __ 478 __ -50 __ -122 Deathskull Clan: _ 424 __ -66 ___ -76 Evil Sunz Clan: __ 440 __ -55 __ -160 Goff Clan: _______ 778 _ -140 __ +128 Snakebite Clan: __ 421 __ -86 __ -189 Kult of Speed: ___ 533 _ -255 __ +133 Wildboyz Horde: __ 372 __ -73 ___ -28 Mega-Gargant: ____ 836 ___ +5 __ -564 _ Special Blasta Bomma: ______________ 251 __ -104 _ -249 Freebooterz: ________________ 47 ____ -4 ___ -3 Gretchin Horde: _____________ 36 ____ +4 __ -14 Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 182 ___ -20 _ -218 Landa Mob: _________________ 363 ___ +22 __ -87 Mekboy: _____________________ 67 ____ -3 __ -33 Painboy: ____________________ 54 ____ -3 __ -46 Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of _ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 30 __ -6 _ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 39 _ -10 _ Dragsta: _____________________ 51 __ -8 _ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 55 _ -10 _ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 52 __ -4 Runtherd: ___________________ 43 ____ -3 __ -32 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 472 ___ 119 _ +272 Warboss: ___________________ 413 ___ -73 _ +163 Warlord & Stompa: __________ 697 ___ -73 _ +197 Weirdboy & Minderz: ________ 588 _____ 0 _ +438 Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 203 ___ -58 _ -247 +2 weapons Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 286 ___ -10 __ -14 +2 weapons Great Gargant hull: ________ 328 ___ -12 __ -72 +2 weapons & Head? Gargant Big Mob: varies any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade their Battlewagons to: Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +63 __ -3 Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +46 __ -3 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +59 __ -3 _ Support Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 44 ___ -2 __ -56 Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 28 ___ -2 __ -72 Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 28 ___ -2 __ -72 Extra Evil Sunz [3B,1BW] 49 ___ -3 __ -51 Extra Evil Sunz Boyz[4B] 28 ___ -2 __ -72 Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 33 ___ -6 __ -67 Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 30 ___ -4 __ -70 Extra Nobz: ___________ 244 __ -44 __ +44 BA Kommandos: __________ 81 __ -13 __ -94 DS Shoota: _____________ 93 ____ 0 _ -107 Gretchin Mob: __________ 18 ___ +2 __ +18 Madmob: ________________ 44 ___ -3 __ +44 Stormboyz Korps: _______ 78 __ -13 __ -82 Wildmob: _______________ 25 ___ -6 __ -50 Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 69 __ -40 __ -31 ES Nobz Warbike: _ 359 _ -200 _ +159 Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 62 __ -27 __ -38 Killa Kan Mob: ____ 63 ___ 0 __ -37 Onslaughter Mob: _ 114 ___ 0 __ -86 Tinbot Mob: ______ 129 ___ 0 __ -21 BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 401 ___ -2 _ +201 Battlewagon: ______________ 70 ___ -6 __ -30 BA Land Raider: __________ 120 __ -11 __ -80 BA Rhino: _________________ 59 ____ 0 ___ +9 Bonebreaka: ______________ 112 __ -14 __ -38 Bonecruncha: _____________ 101 __ -14 __ -49 Braincrusha: _____________ 101 ____ 0 _ -149 Copter: __________________ 181 ____ 0 __ +31 Doomdiver AA: _____________ 55 ____ 0 ___ +5 ES Bowelburna: ____________ 61 __ -97 __ -39 ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 66 ____ 0 __ -34 ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 68 ____ 0 __ -57 Flakwagon AA: _____________ 82 ___ -5 __ -78 Gf Gutrippa: ______________ 88 __ -15 __ -12 Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 79 ___ -4 __ -21 Scorcha: __________________ 42 __ -26 ___ -8 Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 187 ____ 0 __ +37 Sn Squiggoth: ____________ 108 ___ +3 __ -42 Trukk: ____________________ 96 ____ 0 ___ -4 Warbuggy: _________________ 84 __ -25 __ -16 Wartrak: __________________ 87 __ -12 __ -13 MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 40 __ -8 __ -60 MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 52 _ -13 __ -48 MK Dragsta: ___________________ 68 _ -11 __ -32 MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 73 _ -14 __ -27 MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 69 __ -6 __ -31 Hop-Splat: ________ 43 ___ -3 _ -107 Lobba: ____________ 73 ___ +8 __ -27 Skokk Attack Gun: _ 46 ___ +2 __ -54 Zzap Gun: _________ 51 __ +18 __ -49 Pulsa Rokkit: ______ 44 ____ 0 _ -206 Sn Squig Katapult: _ 57 ___ -2 __ -43 Soopa Gun: ________ 149 ____ 0 ___ -1 Traktor Kannon: ____ 48 ____ 0 __ -27 Bomma: _________________ 247 ___ -1 __ -53 Fighta-Bomma: __________ 276 __ -91 __ +76 Landa: __________________ 95 ___ +5 ___ -5 Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 118 __ +30 __ +68 Gibletgrinda: ___ 183 __ -8 __ +83 Mega-Squiggoth: _ 201 __ -7 __ -49 Skullhamma: _____ 130 _ -10 __ +30 Stompaz: ________ 260 __ +5 __ +10 Supa Stompa: ____ 156 __ +3 _ -144 _ Mekboy Gargant Weapons: Buzz Saw Arm: ________ 65 __ 0 __ +65 Krusher Arm: _________ 11 __ 0 __ +11 Kustom Kannon: _______ 68 __ 0 __ +68 Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 130 __ 0 _ +130 _ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses _ base (OT) Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 60 (75) ___ 0 _ (0) ___ -5 Battle Cannon Turret ___ G ____ 14 (18) ___ 0 _ (0) __ -11 Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 27 ________ 0 ________ -38 Deth Kannon ____________ S ___ 103 ________ 0 ________ +18 Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 13 ________ 0 ________ -22 Flak Kannon ___ G Head Turret _ 26 ________ 0 _________ -9 Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 52 (64) ___ 0 _ (0) __ -23 Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 97(122) ___ 0 _ (0) __ +47 Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 44 (55) ___ 0 _ (0) _ -106 Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 27 (34) ___ 0 _ (0) __ -73 Magna Kannon ___________ G,S __ 83(104) ___ 0 _ (0) __ +33 Magna Kannon _ G Head Turret _ 166(208) ___ 0 _ (0) _ +116 Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 34 (43) ___ 0 _ (0) __ -51 Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 52 (66) ___ 0 _ (0) ___ +2 Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 but alters cost of other weapons Ripper Fist ____________ G,S __ 68 ______ +35 _________ +3 Scorcher Turret ________ G ____ 14 (17) ___ 0 _ (0) ___ -1 Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 72 ________ 0 _________ -3 Snapper ________________ G,S __ 48 ______ -38 ________ +23 Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ___ 130 (163) __ 0 _ (0) __ +55 Sample Army _____________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold ---Orks (pdf p7) Goff Clan ________________ 778 __ 918 __ 650 -Sp Warboss ______________ 413 __ 485 __ 250 -Su Lungbursta ____________ 79 ___ 92 __ 100 -Su Gretchin Mob __________ 18 ___ 16 ____ 0 Bad Moonz Clan ___________ 439 __ 497 __ 600 -Su Weirdboy Battletower _ 401 __ 403 __ 200 -Su Extra Nobz ___________ 244 __ 288 __ 200 -Su Gretchin Mob __________ 18 ___ 16 ____ 0 Snakebite Clan ___________ 421 __ 507 __ 600 -Su Boarboyz Mob __________ 62 ___ 89 __ 100 -Su Squiggoth Mob ________ 108 __ 105 __ 150 -Su Bonebreaka ___________ 112 __ 126 __ 150 -Su Madmob ________________ 44 ___ 47 ____ 0 --- Totals ______________ 3136 _ 3590 _ 3000 |
Author: | primarch [ Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Hi! Sweet! I guess you've answered the question on which ones are done, so I guess I will start with the eldar and post them. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri May 09, 2014 5:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Revised points for Transport costs, fixed a couple of minor errors, and finished Gargants. ____________________ Model: New value (NEG) _ Ork models: Freebooterz Kaptin: 28 (0) Freebooterz Boyz: 4 (0) Mekboy: 54 (100) Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 72 Painboy: 42 (100) Runtherd: 41 (75) Stormboy Kaptin: 39.5 (~30) Warboss: 92 (100) Warlord: 122 (200) Weirdboy: 374 (100) Weirdboy Minder: 14 (25) Bad Moon Boyz: 22 (25) Blood Axe Boyz: 14 (25) Blood Axe Kommando Kaptin: 58 (55) Blood Axe Kommando: 42 (30) Deathskull Boyz: 14 (25) Deathskull Shoota: 38 (50) Evil Sunz Boyz: 14 (25) Goff Boyz: 22 (25) Gretchin: 3.8 (6.25) Madboyz: 14 (0) Nobz: 86 (50) Riggerz: 15 Snakebite Boyz: 18 (25) Stormboyz: 19.5 (25) Wildboyz: 18 (18.75) Bikeboyz: 26.7 (20) Nobz Warbike: 86 (40) Boarboyz SN: 26.7 (20) Killer Dreadnought: 32 (25) Dreadnought, Onslaughter: 60 (50) Tinbot MK: 38 (30) Battlewagon: 36 (35) [carries 3 Infantry/LA] Battlewagon Blastakannon: 71.5 (35) [carries 3 Command Infantry] Battlewagon Double Kannon: 55 (35) [carries 3 Command Infantry] Battlewagon Missile Launcher: 85 (35) [carries 3 Command Infantry] Bonebreaka: 73 (50) Bonecruncha: 62 (50) Bowelburna ES: 74.63 (33.3) Braincrusha: 82 (85) Copter: 48 (30) Cyberwyvern SN: 62 (30) Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: 116 (50) Flakwagon MK: 58 (50) Gobsmasha ES: 22 (20) Gutrippa G: 58 (35) Land Raider BA: 84.03 (65) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker] Lungbursta G: 64 (35) Rhino BA: 31.03 (15) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker] Scorcha: 31.25 (15) Spleenrippa ES: 47 (41.67) Squiggoth: 68 (50) Trukk: 29.03 (20) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker, OTV] Warbuggy: 24 (20) [carries 1 Infantry/LA] Wartrak: 26 (20) [carries 1 Infantry/LA] Weirdboy Battletower BM: 394 (200) Bubble Chukka Speedsta: 44.8 (100) Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: 91.8 (100) Dragsta: 82.8 (100) Kustom Kannon Speedsta: 114.3 (100) Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: 83.8 (100) Field Gun / Hop Splat: 27 (30) Lobba: 18 (20) Shokk Attack Gun MK: 28.4 (25) Zzap Gun: 9 (20) Pulsa Rokkit MK: 98 (85) Squig Katapult: 34.8 (35) Soopa Gun MK: 256 (150) Traktor Kannon: 18 (15) Blasta Bomma: 524.6 (500) Bomma: 168 (100) Fighta-Bomma MK: 187 (65) Landa: 148 (100) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry/LA or Walker] Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: 79.6 (50) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry/LA or Walker] Gibletgrinda: 182 (100) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry/LA or Walker] Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: 207 (400) Mega-Squiggoth: 468 (250) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry/LA or Walker, OTV] Skullhamma: 145 (100) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry/LA or Walker] Stompa: 136.2 (85) Super Stompa: 190.2 (300) Mekboy Gargant hull: 240 Slasha Gargant hull: 322.5 Great Gargant hull: 473.5 Mega-Gargant: 1578 Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list. |
Author: | primarch [ Fri May 09, 2014 7:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Hi! Many thanks! Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri May 09, 2014 8:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
added details of Transport options used to list above. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon May 12, 2014 6:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Formations (default BP 100%) _ Company Bad Moon Clan: 365 Blood Axe Clan: 375 Deathskull Clan: 315 Evil Sunz Clan: 340 Goff Clan: 590 Snakebite Clan: 375 Kult of Speed: 390 Wildboyz Horde: 430 Mega-Gargant: 1990 _ Special Blasta Bomma: 590 Freebooterz: 25 Gretchin Horde: 10 Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: 210 Landa Mob: 645 Mekboy: 60 Painboy: 50 Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of _ Bubble Chukka: 35 each _ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: 75 each _ Dragsta: 65 each _ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: 90 each _ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: 65 each Runtherd: 45 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: 355 Warboss: 460 Warlord & Stompa: 765 Weirdboy & Minderz: 265 Mekboy Gargant hull: 270 +2 weapons Slasha Gargant hull: 360 +2 weapons Great Gargant hull: 530 +2 weapons Gargant Big Mob: varies any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to: Battlewagon Blastakannon: +50 Battlewagon Double Kannon: +25 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: +70 _ Support Extra Bad Moon Boyz: 40 Extra Blood Axe Boyz: 25 Extra Deathskull Boyz: 25 Extra Evil Sunz: 35 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon] Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: 25 [4 Boyz] Extra Goff Boyz: 40 Extra Snakebite Boyz: 30 Extra Nobz: 240 BA Kommandos: 145 DS Shoota: 65 Gretchin Mob: 5 Madmob: 40 Stormboyz Korps: 80 Wildmob: 30 Bikeboyz Mob: 70 ES Nobz Warbike: 360 Sn Boarboyz Mob: 70 Killa Kan Mob: 55 Onslaughter Mob: 105 Tinbot Mob: 140 BM Weirdboy Battletower: 345 Battlewagon: 65 BA Land Raider: 145 BA Rhino: 55 Bonebreaka: 130 Bonecruncha: 110 Braincrusha: 145 Copter: 145 Doomdiver AA: 100 ES Bowelburna: 130 ES Gobsmasha: 60 ES Spleenrippa: 85 Flakwagon AA: 100 Gf Gutrippa: 100 Gf Lungbursta: 115 Scorcha: 55 Sn Cyberwyvern: 165 Sn Squiggoth: 120 Trukk: 75 Warbuggy: 65 Wartrak: 70 MK Bubble Chukka: 40 MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: 80 MK Dragsta: 75 MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: 100 MK Lifta-Droppa: 75 Hop-Splat: 70 Lobba: 50 Skokk Attack Gun: 50 Zzap Gun: 25 Pulsa Rokkit: 170 Sn Squig Katapult: 60 Soopa Gun: 280 Traktor Kannon: 45 Bomma: 325 Fighta-Bomma: 360 Landa: 145 Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: 100 Gibletgrinda: 255 Mega-Squiggoth: 410 Skullhamma: 205 Stompaz: 335 Supa Stompa: 235 _ Mekboy Gargant Weapons: Buzz Saw Arm: 45 Krusher Arm: 5 Kustom Kannon: 125 Super-Lifta Droppa: 125 _ Gargant Weapons: Battle Cannon Head . . . G . . .70 Battle Cannon Turret . . G . . .40 Cluster Buster . . . . . S . . .55 Deth Kannon . . . . . . .S . . 180 Flak Kannon . . . . . . .G,S . .45 Gatling Cannon . . . . . G . . .90 Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S . .60 Gutbuster, Augmented . . G . . 165 Gutbuster . . . . . . . .G,S . 105 Magna Kannon . . . . . . G,S . 540 Magnum Mega-Cannon . . . G . . .80 Mork Head with Scorcher .G,S . .50 Observation Turret . . . G . . . ? (50) Ripper Fist . . . . . . .G,S. . 65 Scorcher Turret . . . . .G. . . 25 Slasha Attack Gun . . . .S . . 125 Snapper . . . . . . . . .G,S . 170 Super Lifta-Droppa . . . G . . 125 |
Author: | primarch [ Mon May 12, 2014 6:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Hi! I like how relatively cheap orks are in regards to other armies with better (looser) command radius. You should be able to get a lot of them in comparison. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
I would suggest, if using this system, to not have any requirements on the composition of the Renegade Mekboyz Special Formation, as if someone really wants to take a lot of the better models, he'll be paying more to do so. Also, I could not come up with a value for the Observation Turret Gargant 'weapon'. It gives all weapons fired a +1 to hit versus one specific chosen target. Thus it's value could vary from turn to turn depending on how many weapons were fired at the chosen target. Thus I cannot mathematically give it a value. Aside from just using it's old value (in parenthesis above), I just don't know. |
Author: | primarch [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: I would suggest, if using this system, to not have any requirements on the composition of the Renegade Mekboyz Special Formation, as if someone really wants to take a lot of the better models, he'll be paying more to do so. Also, I could not come up with a value for the Observation Turret Gargant 'weapon'. It gives all weapons fired a +1 to hit versus one specific chosen target. Thus it's value could vary from turn to turn depending on how many weapons were fired at the chosen target. Thus I cannot mathematically give it a value. Aside from just using it's old value (in parenthesis above), I just don't know. Hi! Agreed. There are many restrictions in place solely because of the implicit unbalance of their cost. Using the formula, many of these need to be discarded or modified. In case of the gargant observation turret, would assigning a flat multiplier added to each weapon in addition to the observation turret would suffice? Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue May 13, 2014 12:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
It was easy with the Imperial version, as there each weapon gets +1 to hit regardless of what they are shooting at. That is very helpful. This one less so. I suppose I could go through the weapons and see what difference +1 to hit makes to their value and then use half that. On the other hand, if a player builds their Gargant with a OT, they are probably planning to focus their fire most of the time anyway. Hmm. Perhaps 75%. I'll have to poke at them later and see how that works out. |
Author: | primarch [ Tue May 13, 2014 12:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: It was easy with the Imperial version, as there each weapon gets +1 to hit regardless of what they are shooting at. That is very helpful. This one less so. I suppose I could go through the weapons and see what difference +1 to hit makes to their value and then use half that. On the other hand, if a player builds their Gargant with a OT, they are probably planning to focus their fire most of the time anyway. Hmm. Perhaps 75%. I'll have to poke at them later and see how that works out. Hi! Sounds like a plan. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
I discovered that I had made an error when calculating many formation values for the Orks, so I adjusted appropriately and replaced the formation values in the post above with the fixed values. Note that many, but not all, formations are now slightly more expensive than they were before. I also added one formation that I missed earlier. |
Author: | primarch [ Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: I discovered that I had made an error when calculating many formation values for the Orks, so I adjusted appropriately and replaced the formation values in the post above with the fixed values. Note that many, but not all, formations are now slightly more expensive than they were before. I also added one formation that I missed earlier. Hi! Thanks! Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Model: New value post tweaks and Transport revision _ Ork models: Freebooterz Kaptin: _27 Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 2 Mekboy: ____________ 45 Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 57 Painboy: ___________ 42 Runtherd: __________ 41 Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 44 Warboss: ___________ 80 Warlord: __________ 102.5 Weirdboy: __________ 98.12 Weirdboy Minder: ___ 12 Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 14 Blood Axe Boyz: ___ 12 BA Kommando Kaptin: 59.5 BA Kommando: ______ 42 Deathskull Boyz: __ 12 Deathskull Shoota:_ 14 Evil Sunz Boyz: ___ 12 Goff Boyz: ________ 22 Gretchin: __________ 1.45 Madboyz: __________ 12 Nobz: _____________ 71 Riggerz: __________ 16 Snakebite Boyz: ___ 17 Stormboyz: ________ 20.5 Wildboyz: _________ 21 Bikeboyz: ______ 36.34 Nobz Warbike: _ 110 Boarboyz SN: ___ 32.34 Killer Dreadnought: _______ 26 Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 42 Tinbot MK: ________________ 33.5 Battlewagon: __________________ 37.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 46.63 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 42.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 63.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Bonebreaka: ___________________ 60.75 Bonecruncha: __________________ 58 Bowelburna ES: ________________ 53.31 Braincrusha: __________________ 34 Copter: _______________________ 59 Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 62 Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 44 Flakwagon MK: _________________ 37 Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 19 Gutrippa G: ___________________ 52.5 Land Raider BA: _______________ 61.01 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Lungbursta G: _________________ 39 Rhino BA: _____________________ 29.38 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Scorcha: ______________________ 29.63 Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 26.75 Squiggoth: ____________________ 54.5 Trukk: ________________________ 37.01 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Warbuggy: _____________________ 37.5 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Wartrak: ______________________ 34 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 121.1 Bubble Chukka Speedsta: _____ 50.6 Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 85.5 Dragsta: ____________________ 95.6 Kustom Kannon Speedsta: _____ 96.75 Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: ______ 56.85 Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 9 Lobba: _________________ 3 Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 7.6 Zzap Gun: _____________ -6 Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 56 Squig Katapult: ___ 32.2 Soopa Gun MK: _____ 76 Traktor Kannon: ____ 9 Blasta Bomma: _________ 515.3 Bomma: ________________ 147.5 Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 225.3 Landa: _________________ 80 [Transport 7: I1/1, W1/2] Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: _ 92.15 [Transport 5: I1/1, W1/2] Gibletgrinda: _____________ 187.3 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 197.9 Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 365.3 Skullhamma: _______________ 135.4 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Stompa: ___________________ 124 Super Stompa: _____________ 167.1 Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 420 Slasha Gargant hull: _ 514.5 Great Gargant hull: __ 713.5 Mega-Gargant: _______ 1218 Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list. Formations (default BP 100%) _ Company Bad Moon Clan: ___ 275 Blood Axe Clan: __ 330 Deathskull Clan: _ 265 Evil Sunz Clan: __ 305 Goff Clan: _______ 510 Snakebite Clan: __ 345 Kult of Speed: ___ 530 Wildboyz Horde: __ 430 Mega-Gargant: ___ 1535 _ Special Blasta Bomma: ______________ 575 Freebooterz: ________________ 20 Gretchin Horde: ______________ 5 Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 200 Landa Mob: _________________ 350 Mekboy: _____________________ 50 Painboy: ____________________ 50 Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of _ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 40 each _ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 70 each _ Dragsta: _____________________ 75 each _ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 75 each _ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 45 each Runtherd: ___________________ 45 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 410 Warboss: ___________________ 390 Warlord & Stompa: __________ 665 Weirdboy & Minderz: _________ 75 Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 470 +2 weapons Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 575 +2 weapons Great Gargant hull: ________ 800 +2 weapons Gargant Big Mob: varies any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to: Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +15 Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +10 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +40 _ Support Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 25 Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 20 Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 20 Extra Evil Sunz: _______ 30 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon] Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: __ 20 [4 Boyz] Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 40 Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 30 Extra Nobz: ___________ 200 BA Kommandos: _________ 150 DS Shoota: _____________ 25 Gretchin Mob: ___________ 5 Madmob: ________________ 35 Stormboyz Korps: _______ 85 Wildmob: _______________ 35 Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 95 ES Nobz Warbike: _ 460 Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 85 Killa Kan Mob: ___ 45 Onslaughter Mob: _ 75 Tinbot Mob: _____ 125 BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 105 Battlewagon: ______________ 65 BA Land Raider: __________ 105 BA Rhino: _________________ 50 Bonebreaka: ______________ 105 Bonecruncha: _____________ 100 Braincrusha: ______________ 60 Copter: __________________ 175 Doomdiver AA: _____________ 40 ES Bowelburna: ____________ 95 ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 50 ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 45 Flakwagon AA: _____________ 65 Gf Gutrippa: ______________ 90 Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 70 Scorcha: __________________ 50 Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 165 Sn Squiggoth: _____________ 95 Trukk: ___________________ 100 Warbuggy: ________________ 100 Wartrak: __________________ 90 MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 45 MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 75 MK Dragsta: ___________________ 85 MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 45 MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 25 Hop-Splat: ________ 25 Lobba: ____________ 10 Skokk Attack Gun: _ 15 Zzap Gun: __________ 0 Pulsa Rokkit: _____ 100 Sn Squig Katapult: _ 55 Soopa Gun: _________ 85 Traktor Kannon: ____ 25 Bomma: _________________ 285 Fighta-Bomma: __________ 435 Landa: __________________ 75 Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 115 Gibletgrinda: ___ 260 Mega-Squiggoth: _ 320 Skullhamma: _____ 190 Stompaz: ________ 305 Supa Stompa: ____ 205 _ Mekboy Gargant Weapons: Buzz Saw Arm: ________ 0 Krusher Arm: _________ 0 Kustom Kannon: ______ 30 Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 65 _ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses __ cost _ cost with Observation Turret Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 15 ___ 15 Battle Cannon Turret ___ G _____ 5 ___ 10 Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 25 Deth Kannon ____________ S ____ 45 Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 10 Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 20 ___ 30 Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 35 ___ 45 Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 55 ___ 70 Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 40 ___ 55 Magna Kannon ___________ G,S _ 135 __ 170 Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 30 ___ 35 Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 35 ___ 40 Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 plus alters cost of other weapons Ripper Fist ____________ G,S ___ 5 Scorcher Turret ________ G _____ 5 ____ 5 Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 30 Snapper ________________ G,S _ 170 Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ____ 65 ___ 80 |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Updated cost of Battle Cannon turret for Gargant Weapon as per errata. All else is good. |
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