Iterator wrote:
I may be biased because like Irisado I am an old-school Eldar player with a lot of turretless models in my forces, but it seems to me that the lack of turrets and PD is well compensated for by all the Eldar vehicles being skimmers (thus difficult to pin and able to execute pop-ups). There is no need to upgrade them, and doing so would necessitate a comprehensive recosting relative to similar non-skimmer units.
Agreed.
Also, Falcons, in particular, work so very well on the flanks that I would be very concerned about giving them a turret style fire arc. They are a very different beast from their EA cousins, and the combination of a 75cm range, turret fire arc, pop-up attacks, and mobility would be too effective for what is, to all intents and purposes a transport gunboat.
Mattman wrote:
If we are going to stick with old rules, then the images in the army books should reflect them. Trying to entice new players into the game, who are massively knowledgeable 40k players and explaining to them that their vehicle isn't actually anything like what what it should be isn't going to enamour them. "What do you mean my falcon has a single forward firing las-cannon? Eldar don't use las-cannons! They are armed Star cannons, shuriken cannons and twin linked shuriken catapults!! This game sucks ... "
Just because the vehicles didn't have PD back then, doesn't mean they shouldn't. It is a legacy issue.
I guess we come to that fork in the road again were some players are happy to play with the game from 20 years ago and others want to see it brought forward into the modern era.
Matt
If image and weapon descriptions is a problem, then we can simply change/update these. The images, I'm not overly concerned about, but if you want weapons to be renamed, then there's no issue with that, since it's largely cosmetic. Brightlance is already in existence under light artillery, so Lascannon could easily be replaced with Brightlance for all Eldar units.
It's not a legacy issue, it's a balance issue. Remember that in 40K Falcons and other Eldar vehicles are pretty powerful. In Epic, they're middle ranking units at best. They thus shouldn't receive a lot of additional defences. They're not supposed to be that great at protecting themselves against infantry.
Also, we need to be, in my view, very cautious about adding more and more weapons to vehicles. We do not want to bog the game down with excessive dice rolling, and too many weapons on basic vehicles adds extra time to the game that isn't needed in my opinion.
Edit: Note too that the Peregrine is basically what you want the Falcon to be, so if the Falcon were changed as per your suggestion, the Peregrine would have to go, since it would lose its role.
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