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This thread is for posting on anything related to the revision of the Squats Book.

Those whom wish to supervise this list, please state so in your post and compile an editable document of the changes that are posted.

Thank you!

Primarch

Few points have tested and validated in several battles:

- increase cost of biker squads from 200 to 250 points
- increase cost of guild biker company from 600 to 700 points (to reflect new cost of bikes), remove the "unique"
- increase cost of Colossus from 500 to 600 points
- increase cost of Cyclops from 450 to 500 points
- increase cost of Leviathan from 350 to 400 points (no change for the IronBreaker company)
- increase cost of the DoomAnvil Squadron from 1400 to 1600 points (break point should be "each", morale: "-" and VP "each"

That's not some big changes and squats will still be a hard to beat army but it should balance the list a bit.

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Status Update:

If you choose to "lead" a particular army, just post a message on the respective army thread as to where you are on reading the books for corrections and such.

This is just to get an idea to see where we are all at.

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I'm OK to lead the squat army book revision

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Thanks!

Re-read, revise, whatever you need to do and remember to keep an editable doc file so we can use it to consolidate the changes.

Primarch

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Scream, Magnus mentioned applying the alternate experience rules (the ones used for titans) for preatorians.

You have any views on this?

I'm also thinking of applying the variant plasma rules to them as well.

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Apologies Scream, I'm playing a Squat force today and I forgot about your cost amendments and have used the old ones.

On a seperate note, the CAF of Squats is incredibly poor, especially for a race which in traditional fantasy is renown for their viciousness in close combat. Yes, they can reroll 1's (and 1's & 2's against Orks), and yes they have higher break points, but still... "Beserkers" get a +2 CAF!!! Suggest rename to "Mildly Miffed Detachment", or increase in CAF to +4, or +3 at minimum.

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But you have access to the best cavalry in the game

True enough... Every cloud, eh?

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I noticed in the rules that it states that Collosus are always treated as being on First Fire Orders (although obviously they can move). I thought it was strange that it doesn't say the same thing for Leviathans. As Regimental HQ units I would have thought they would operate in the same way, ie move 10cm and First Fire. Is this an omission or have I been playing this incorrectly?

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Hi!

Leviathan's are HQ's, so they can move and fire on first fire orders. Colossi, are not HQ units, but are granted a similar boon of moving and shooting. In practical terms there is no difference between the two, but the colossi is not an HQ.

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Cheers Primarch!

Break points for the Iron Breaker Company state "17+ Model" and then gives VPs as 8 + 4. I'm understanding this to mean that if you kill 17 models excluding the Leviathan you'll get 8VPs, while you get 4VPs for destroying the Leviathan. Is there a typo on the break point for the main company? There are only 17 models!!!
Warlord + 9 Combat Stands, 2 Hearthguard + 5 Beserkers.

Surely this can't be right?

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I think the Ironbreaker Company (and also the Ironbreaker Hellbore Brotherhood) are worded badly. Looking at them, I think they are trying to say that you get two sets of one Hearthguard plus Berserker Detachment. This would mean that both companies have five more squads than you previously thought. Thus the company would be:
Warlord + 9 Combat squads,
Hearthguard + 5 Berserker squads,
Hearthguard + 5 Berserker squads,
Leviathan.

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The VP splits re indeed for breaking the company or destroying the leviathan. SO you get 8 for breaking the compnay, 4 for the leviathan.

The Ironbreakers have 2 beserker detachments, so the total models are 22.

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Hi!

This is the correct composition. The text needs to be edited for better clarity.

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