Yes, all "Chapter" lists, i.e those that have extra rules, formations and restrictions are Codex and are subject to the 75/25% restrictions rather than the 50/50%.

What it mentions in the army list is:

"Many of the Chapters have changed over the millennia, developing new units and tactics to suit themselves. Each of these is considered a separate Codex Army, consisting of that Chapter’s units in addition to the Standard ones. If you want to play a unique Chapter you must put 75% of your points into their troops (from their Codex List and the Standard Adeptus Astartes List) and you may put up to 25% into any one Standard List other than Chaos.
As a note, when you purchase units from the Standard List you may define them as either part of the Codex Chapter you’ve chosen, or as any other Chapter. In this way it is possible to field more than one Chapter, but you may never use more than one unique Chapter list and special rules."

To me this means that if I want to play with all the extra cool stuff related to a specific chapter then I am forced to take 75% minimum.

And:

"Note: Only the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves Chapters have been through years of playtesting. All other Chapters should be considered optional and require the approval of your opponent."

So what this means is that the BA, DA and SW are sort of balanced, whereas most of the others have issues.

But, my point from my previous post, just because I choose to field my marines as a specific chapter, doesn't mean I am forced to use their rules. Just because there are rules for Blood Angels, doesn't mean you have to use them. I can choose to either field them as the Codex list with all the extra rules, formations and restrictions and the 75/25 split, or I can field them following the standard marine list and only have access to the basic formations but with a 50/50 split.

Matt

Question about the Teleport Special Formation.

The formation entry specifies that it can only be used for "one Infantry Detachment". Does that replace the Rhino transports or does it Teleport them as well? I've looked at the entry for Teleport in the Movement Modes section of the Core Rules and it does not specify. Can anyone clarify this?

Just to further complicate transports slightly, it seems awkward to me that the single command stand of say, a battle company, needs his own Thunderhawk, could there be a special rule about commanders being able to hitch a ride with the troops? I intend to house rule it this way anyway as 3 gigantic thunderhawks is more than enough for me (and my budget).

On a personal level I also don't think terminators ought to move to groups of 6 stands, I think this would be quite chaotic for people that have existing armies and it would make them appear more like regular troops than elites.

I would like to see Bike and Terminator companies become a bit more flexible, perhaps a bike company could allow you to upgrade a detachment to attack bikes, and terminator to assault terminators. It might be worth considering allowing a bike company to upgrade to landspeeders too (a mobile company). The inclusion of a light armour company would also be quite cool - predators, vindicators, etc.

Yeah I've seen the proposed formations, looking great. I just wanted to suggest that terminators and particularly bikes get more flexibility, it always seemed to be like a bike company was just too many bikes for one army. And some sort of armour formation that isn't centered around land raiders would be good.

Is there a chance that lone command stands could be carried by large transports then? Thunderhawks are probably the main place this occurs I think.

Is it too early to be making suggestions for platinum then? I was mainly discussing things already brought up in this thread.

Are people generally using 4 thunderhawks to transport a battle company in Gold? With just a lone command stand in one?

Another random issue - isn't the Blood Angel death company proportionally worse the more elite your other infantry is? If you take a lot of terminators it seems like a death company is actually a negative.

Isn't this the correct army list thread? I'm glad to see about the free ride house rule, I wonder if maybe thunderhawks carrying 7 stands would work as a more formal rule, or if this situation occurs with many other large transports.

Just to further complicate transports slightly, it seems awkward to me that the single command stand of say, a battle company, needs his own Thunderhawk, could there be a special rule about commanders being able to hitch a ride with the troops? I intend to house rule it this way anyway as 3 gigantic thunderhawks is more than enough for me (and my budget).

On a personal level I also don't think terminators ought to move to groups of 6 stands, I think this would be quite chaotic for people that have existing armies and it would make them appear more like regular troops than elites.

I would like to see Bike and Terminator companies become a bit more flexible, perhaps a bike company could allow you to upgrade a detachment to attack bikes, and terminator to assault terminators. It might be worth considering allowing a bike company to upgrade to landspeeders too (a mobile company). The inclusion of a light armour company would also be quite cool - predators, vindicators, etc.