Just had another thought about targets vulnerable to these attacks. Light Artillery usually have exposed crew that could easily be affected. We should probably include these as well.

Not adding 'Walker' to Terminators, but changing Terminators into Walker type units. Thus Terminators would no longer be listed in the 'Infantry' section of the unit summary charts, but with the Walkers instead.

If the type for Terminators (and similar units) were changed, the only thing (that I can think of) that would need to change in the HB and SS descriptions would be that they may affect Cavalry and non-robotic Light Artillery.

In other words, for Howling Banshees, instead of saying: "This attack is ineffective against targets with an Armor Save." it would say: "This attack is only effective against Infantry, Cavalry, and non-robotic Light Artillery units."

For Striking Scorpions, instead of saying: "Unfortunately they do not have sufficient penetrating power to be effective versus armored targets such as vehicles, so when engaged with vehicles or larger units, they only roll 1D6 + CAF in Close Combat." it should say something like: "Unfortunately they do not have sufficient penetrating power to be effective versus armored targets, and thus only gain this benefit against Infantry, Cavalry, and non-robotic Light Artillery units, against anything else they only roll 1d6 + CAF in Close Combat."

Do those sound good to people?

Looking for/at Infantry that could be changed to Walker for this purpose (ones with Fixed saves) turns up:

Astares: Chaplain, Chapter Master, Grey Knights, Inquisitor, Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, Terminator Close Assault, Terminator HQ, Terminator.
Chaos: Automation, Chaos Champion, Chaos Terminator, Dark Apostle, Minotaur, Ogryn, Troll.
Dark Eldar: ? (don't care enough to look, and nobody seems to play them anyway)
Eldar: Exarch, Farseer, Pathfinder, Solitaire, Visionary, Warlock, Warp Spider.
Guard: Grey Knights, Inquisitor, Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, Ogryn.
Mechanicus: Grey Knights, Inquisitor, Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
Ministorum: Confessor, Grey Knights, Inquisitor, Missionary, Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, Arbites Assault, Death Cult Assassin.
Necron: Platinum Lord, Lord
Ork: none (very few Ork Infantry have armor saves at all, and none are Fixed)
PDF: Grey Knights, Inquisitor, Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
Squat: Grand Warlord, Warlord, Bodyguards.
Tau: Ethereal, Master Shaper, Shaman, Stealthsuit, Shaper.
Tyranid: Lictor, Tyranid Warrior.

Looking at Cavalry that might need to be changed shows:
Chaos: Psychic Screamer (perhaps make it Walker)
Squat: Guildmaster (perhaps make it Vehicle)

No Light Artillery needs changing.

Admittedly, we wouldn't have to change all of the above, but all of them have Fixed saves, and thus some form of heavy armor and/or ancient artefacts that protect them.

There has ALWAYS been the desire to cost the tempests at 1000 points for the company. I also agree here.

Why 550 for the squadron though, why not 500? Company discount?

Has your games shown 500 for the pair to be a good price?

I also agree the revenant holofield shouldn't be as good as the phantom.

Yes, 550 for the squadron because company discount ^^



Yes, our games show that 500 for the pair with our changes is a good prize

Yes, we purpose that Master Mime become Unique (because for example three master mimes against Orks or Imperial Guard is very very very very too strenght !)

And the Warp Hunter is to weak. A purpose (not tested) is to use the SM2/TL rule for the scatter of the template : if the first scatter dice is a Hit, then there are not second scatter.

So, if you play a Craftworld army list (for example Saim-Hann or Biel-Tan) you can not allies with an another Craftworld.

I have no idea for dark eldars, Exodites, Eldar Knigths or Arlequins.

I agree that if one chooses to play as a specific Craftworld, they should not be allowed to have another Craftworld as an allied force. With one possible exception. If the enemy is Chaos, it should be allowed, but with a maximum of 25% from any/all other Craftworld(s).

Another small spanner regarding banshees is for the last few edition's, the psychic scream doesn't actually kill the target, it makes them worse in combat (All targets suffer -5 initiative whatever they are charged by banshees). So rather than an autokill, maybe they should reduce an opponents CAF on the charge?

With regard to the Revenants, if the holofield saving throws are being changed, this should probably be the case for them in the alternative titan rules as well. Warlock & Phantom Titans have a holofield save of 3+, so logically the Revenants would be 4+.

Agree?