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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff  Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:26 am |
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....The November WD has an interesting feature on the new CCG- it has some exceptionally good bits of art for it, including some very nice John Blanche stuff.. worth a look I'd say. 
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:58 am |
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| Quote (stormseer @ 25 2003 Oct.,01:26) | | ....The November WD has an interesting feature on the new CCG- it has some exceptionally good bits of art for it, including some very nice John Blanche stuff.. worth a look I'd say. |
Yep. the art is fantastic. Good enough to make me cosider paying the (most likely) exorbitant price to see the pictures. 
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:23 pm |
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Well I have a W/D sub (for over 10 years), and have 3 issues of Fanatic Mag coming after converting over my Epic Mag sub, but I won't see those until next summer. ?There is always a lot of good stuff in W/D, as far as fluff, modeling, etc., even if it does not have much (or any) Epic. Hopefully, Fanatic Mag will be as good, Epic Mag was more of a pamphlet ... but better than nothing ! 
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:29 pm |
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Back on topic - Jyrki you asked for the fluff regarding Fulgrims turning to the 'dark side'. Here is it is, we were both half right .
The Emperors Children Space Marine Legion was dispatched to pacify the rebel Warmaster Horus at the start of the Heresy, before the Emperor knew the full scale of Horus' abomination. At first Fulgrim, Primarch of the Emperors Children, tried to negotiate with the Warmaster and dissuade him from his rebellion. While they parleyed Fulgrim was corrupted by the Warmaster. A tendril of power from the Chaos God Slaanesh insinuated itself into Fulgrim's mind and began to slowly bend him to the will of the Lord of Pleasure. Fulgrim resisted staunchly at first but little by little his fortitude was eroded away as his enhanced senses were stimulated beyond endurance and whispered promises awoke unspoken desires. Eventually Fulgrim's mighty will was broken and he joined Horus, surrendering to the hedonistic pleasures of Slaanesh. As Fulgrim delved deeper into depravity the Emperors Children followed him into heresy.
In the war against the Imperium Fulgrim led the Emperors Children in an orgy of destruction against the undefended civilian populations of a dozen systems, slaughtering and enslaving millions in pursuit of their pleasures. When the Warmaster was slain by the Emperor Fulgrim fled to the Eye of Terror, with the remaining Emperors Children.
Centuries of worship have changed Fulgrim beyond all recognition. Serpent bodied and many armed, Fulgrim has been twisted into a monstrous daemonic creature. Despite his monstrous appearance Fulgrim radiates a strange beauty and physical attraction, captivating and transfixing all who encounter him. Clouds of pastel coloured soporific musk billow around Fulgrim wherever he goes, weakening the will and awakening disturbing desires in those who breathe in the heady musk.
Source: Renegades (1992)
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:59 pm |
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Hi!
I always found Fulgrims turning really pictured him as a "weak" primarch. All the primarchs were endowed with physical as well as mental strength. The other primarchs that were turned were usually because chaos appealed or offered them something the emperor could not.
In Fulgrims case it was simple pleasure due to weak resolve. Ita one primarch I have contempt for...
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:22 pm |
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That is how I saw him, I felt that he was kinda weak willed - led astray and easily seduced not so much by the power of his position but by the perks of his position.
However, what finally crumbled him wasn't just his will - it was his *TO BE CONTINUED*
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:57 pm |
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Ewww.... I probably have an ex for that one too, would hate to think I bedded Nurgle, does bad things for a mans rep that kinda thang :s.
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:39 am |
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| Quote (netepic @ 29 2003 Oct.,07:57) | | Ewww.... I probably have an ex for that one too, would hate to think I bedded Nurgle, does bad things for a mans rep that kinda thang :s. |
You can chew your arm off to escape in the morning without detection...but it IS hard to explain the nurglings that show up later on! ?
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:29 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 28 2003 Oct.,21:59) | Hi!
I always found Fulgrims turning really pictured him as a "weak" primarch. All the primarchs were endowed with physical as well as mental strength. The other primarchs that were turned were usually because chaos appealed or offered them something the emperor could not.
In Fulgrims case it was simple pleasure due to weak resolve. Ita one primarch I have contempt for...
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I don't think the others were so respectable. They all lacked loyalty, wisdom and vision. Then they whre lead astray by appealing to their pride, i.e. their ego.
Horus wanted to become the Emperor in the Emperor's place. His pride and hunger for power were so limitless he was easy prey as he was blinded to the consequences.
Angron did not understand anything except for martial values -> Khorne fodder.
Fulgrim was, as has been said, weak. Unable to resist temptation. Also, he was somewhat gullible as can be seen with the "negotiations" part.
Night Haunter was simply mentally deranged to begin with, but I find it stragnge the Emperor didn't see this. It would have been easy for him to repair Kurze's mind.
Mortarion was jealous and bitter as was Perturabo. Both seem to have low self-esteem. This made it easy to fuel the jealousy and bitterness and their pride blinded them to what was happening -> crash.
Of Alpharius the Index article leaves a very vague impression, but it seems the only thing he cared about was to be better than all the others, eg. he was a perfectionist in the negative sense of the word.
Lorgar was a narrow-minded zealot. Nuff said.
Magnus the Red is about the only of the fallen worthy of respect. However, he obviously thought himself as the equal of the Emperor when it came to warp lore so I think his fall would have come about sooner or later.
BTW, is it just me or are the Primarchs more or less formed in Good - Bad pairs, like two sides of the same aspect?
The most obvious:
Guilliman - Horus
Leman Russ - Angron
Sanguinius - Night Haunter
Open to debate:
Rogal Dorn - Fulgrim
Vulkan - Mortarion
Ferrus Manus - Lorgar
Corax - Alpharius
The rest do not fit together very well. IMO there's no loyalist equivalent of Magnus or Perturabo nor the traitor equivalent of Jaghatai Khan or Lion El'Jonson. Opinions?
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:00 pm |
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Mojarn,
Interesting theory.
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:43 pm |
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The most obvious:
Guilliman - Horus
Leman Russ - Angron
>> These I get
Sanguinius - Night Haunter
>> How come? Is it just the premonitions they both had? Or the angel - devil comparrison
Open to debate:
Rogal Dorn - Fulgrim
>> True they both were kinda Slaaneshi - especially Dorns pain worship.
Vulkan - Mortarion
Ferrus Manus - Lorgar
Corax - Alpharius
>> Can you elaborate on these
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Post subject: Horus Heresy Fluff Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:46 am |
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| Quote (netepic @ 29 2003 Oct.,17:43) | Sanguinius - Night Haunter
>> How come? Is it just the premonitions they both had? Or the angel - devil comparrison |
Both. And some more:
-Both cleansed their world of evil influence, but while Sanguinius did so by setting an example Night Haunter ruled by fear and terror.
-Both had a lust for battle. Sanguinius fought to control it. Night Haunter embraced and relished it.
-Sanguinius was charismatic while Night Haunter was brooding.
And so on.
Vulkan - Mortarion
Ferrus Manus - Lorgar
Corax - Alpharius
>> Can you elaborate on these |
Vulkan and Mortarion are not so obvious, and as I said are open to debate. However, both wanted to help their people. Both lived among their people and set an example of hardiness and tenacity. The basic doctrine of Death Guard and Salamanders is remarkably similar and relies on infantry. Both had to accept help from the Emperor to save their life. But while Vulkan respected Emperor for it Mortarion loathed him for it and wanted to prove himself to be the better.
Ferrus and Lorgar were both zealots. Ferrus consumed by his hatred of "weakness" while Lorgar was a religious fanatic. In these two the "good" and "bad" are blurred the most of all. I wouldn't call Iron Hands the good guys. Then again; there are few in the 40k universe I would.
Corax and Alpharius both were tactical geniuses, perhaps the best of all primarchs as only they are said to have applied the principle of achieving the most with the least resources. While Corax used these talents to further the cause of humanity Alpharius just sought challenges and wanted to prove his superiority.
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