(zap123 @ Aug. 06 2007,01:49)
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Hmmm, I'm not sure you should just compare them in a head to head battle. ?
Overlord, 6 x 5+ shots out to 75cms, AND an additional 4x 5+ shots to 50cms
vs
Harridan 4x 5+ shots out to 50cms
is hardly the same Firepower, even factoring in the higher TSM of the Harridans shots. ?Kinda hard to make a direct comparison with the bombs, but I'd say the Harridan certainly shades the Overlord there. ?Harridan is faster, though not massively so...15 vs 25cm. ?Harridan gets Infiltrate (cool), but Overlord is always on First Fire (awesome!). ?CAF is the same. ?On basic surviveability, no doubt the Harridan is better here (unless the Overlord player is really, really lucky), but this does need to be factored against the much better range of the Overlord (so it doesn't take as much fire). ?I'm not convinced there is a compelling argument in this comparison. ?
If flyer rules don't change, then sure Harridan at 150 is a good price, but I don't think it's that much of a bargain that it needs to change. ?Remember also that Tyranids need a unit like the Harridan so they can control Gargoyles...no other Synapse creature is fast enough, so a discount is probably warranted. ?(if we did create "Winged Hive Tyrant" as suggested elsewhere this problem goes away so maybe then you could up the cost of the Harridan).
If you use new flyer rules, I wouldn't touch it.
zap, you are right, i did not talk about the 4 additional autocannons...and please do not tell me that the 4 autocannons of the overlord justify that he costs 100 points more then the harridan?!
and surely you can compare them head to head...it is the best way to show that there is a imbalance between the costs! what do you want to compare else?
I think that i wrote down all arguments in my article before, so if everyone says that my arguments are wrong, it is ok for me. I think that the cost for 1 harridan of 200 points is absolutly ok. as a marine player i do not have this "3 in 1" model...but honest, i would buy one even if he costs 250 points!
and one thing, we have ignored till now. the harridan has 3 wounds, this means you have to give him at least 6 wounds, so that the probability says he is dead. our tyranid player now has 9 harridan and i am sure he will buy some more...and i am sure too, that our tyranid player will take all 9 harridan next game. this means: "9 harridan x 6 wounds = 63 killings you need" not included that i fail some shoots, that he saves some shoots...hmm..i would say that i need more then my whole army to destroy just 1.350 points!!!
.....I think I'd happily make all flyer and floater units Unique.
