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ADEPTUS MILITARIS LIST Rules Issues
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:16 am 
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Okay I have the word files and also a PC that seems to be working.

seemed to have been a loose cable to the Hard drive and thankfully not the motherboard packing it in :)

I can now get to work on everything I hope.

Look to see the first four lists done soon.

Then to tackle the Chaos list
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:46 am 
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Hi!

Glad you got them!

Looking forward to doing the chaos list, since there is always a ton of stuff to clarify.

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Okay am working through this now. Some quick questions

Am I changing anything with the destroyer? Zap suggested increasing cost/VPs

Am I changing points cost for the Mechanised and Mechanised Assault companies that Zap mentioned

Does the PDF list get the Hydra too? Should any of the other Adeptus lists get the hydra?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:24 pm 
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Also because Airborne detachments are made up of generic tactical troops I don't think that I should make all tactical IG units independant.

We could make the Airborne units completely different troops or leave as is which only makes them worthwhile to take as Companies and not as a lone support card.
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(OzTenaka @ Mar. 24 2007,16:57)
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Okay am working through this now. Some quick questions

Am I changing anything with the destroyer? Zap suggested increasing cost/VPs

Am I changing points cost for the Mechanised and Mechanised Assault companies that Zap mentioned

Does the PDF list get the Hydra too? Should any of the other Adeptus lists get the hydra?

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Question 1: Sure, increase.

Question 2: Yes.

Question 3. Yes, the hydra is a standard AA unit for most imperial-based lists.

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(OzTenaka @ Mar. 24 2007,17:24)
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Also because Airborne detachments are made up of generic tactical troops I don't think that I should make all tactical IG units independant.

We could make the Airborne units completely different troops or leave as is which only makes them worthwhile to take as Companies and not as a lone support card.

Hi!

I have another suggestion, why not use the stormtroopers as in the optionals book as the airborne infantry?

In any event I agree a distinction should be made.

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Checked out the stormtroopers.

They would do the job as far as ignored CoC rules.

do Stormtrooper platoons but swap the Rhinos for Valkyries

so

Airborne Platoon is 6 Stoomtrooper stands and 3 Valkyries for 350pts (break point 5 and 4 VPs)

Make the Company

3 x Platoon and and 2 Storm trooper HQs with Command Valkyrie for 1100 pts  (break point 15 and 11 VPs)

Storm troopers stats are

Storm Trooper 10 cm - +1 Hellguns 50 cm 1 5+ -0 Elite

Storm Trooper HQ 10 cm - +2 Pistols 25 cm 2 5+ -0 Elite, Inspirational, Special

All ignore Coc, get fixed saves vs Barrage and can act as Forward Obs for Off board Arty only
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Question 3. Yes, the hydra is a standard AA unit for most imperial-based lists.


I will add them to the PDF list think htat is reasonable and almost certainly the Adeptus Mechanicus list.

I could also consider the Sisters of Battle but they are much more urban combat focused.


I can't see the Space Marines or Frateris armies using them though so unless there are historical reasons I am not aware of I won't add them to those

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Space Marines have the Hunter, keeping in the Rhino based vehicle theme.

PDF get some fixed AA units that would probably be more appropriate for the Frateris list.

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I will add the Hydra to the PDF and Adeptus Mechanicus list only.

The Frateris I don't see as using much AA at all. They are a Holy War mass rabble force. Grab whatever they can and go forth to kill the non believers.
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Yeah...rabble they are :).  I guess they just shoot their stub pistols at passing aircraft.

I did have a thought with regard to the Airborne Company.  As it stands, it's not really very useful.  The Valkyries would have to maintain coherency with the Stormtroopers once they've been landed, making them not much more than targets.  It might be worth considering having the 32 (or 20 in the new format) Airborne Assault stands as a seperate (relatively expensive) company, and the 16 (or 10) Valkyries as a company sized special card that is only allowed to be taken by the Airborne Assault Company.  Just a thought.

Oh, like the idea of making the Company smaller.  It a) gets rid of a company with a ludicrously high break point, and b) makes it slightly more possible to field it...only have to afford 10 Valkyries now!!

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(OzTenaka @ Mar. 26 2007,01:22)
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Checked out the stormtroopers.

They would do the job as far as ignored CoC rules.

do Stormtrooper platoons but swap the Rhinos for Valkyries

so

Airborne Platoon is 6 Stoomtrooper stands and 3 Valkyries for 350pts (break point 5 and 4 VPs)

Make the Company

3 x Platoon and and 2 Storm trooper HQs with Command Valkyrie for 1100 pts  (break point 15 and 11 VPs)

Storm troopers stats are

Storm Trooper 10 cm - +1 Hellguns 50 cm 1 5+ -0 Elite

Storm Trooper HQ 10 cm - +2 Pistols 25 cm 2 5+ -0 Elite, Inspirational, Special

All ignore Coc, get fixed saves vs Barrage and can act as Forward Obs for Off board Arty only

Hi!

Sounds reasonable.

Also, some list members actually asked for the storm troopers to be the airborne troops, so I think this is the way to go.

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Question 3. Yes, the hydra is a standard AA unit for most imperial-based lists.


I will add them to the PDF list think htat is reasonable and almost certainly the Adeptus Mechanicus list.

I could also consider the Sisters of Battle but they are much more urban combat focused.


I can't see the Space Marines or Frateris armies using them though so unless there are historical reasons I am not aware of I won't add them to those

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Agreed.

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(zap123 @ Mar. 26 2007,19:51)
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Yeah...rabble they are :).  I guess they just shoot their stub pistols at passing aircraft.

I did have a thought with regard to the Airborne Company.  As it stands, it's not really very useful.  The Valkyries would have to maintain coherency with the Stormtroopers once they've been landed, making them not much more than targets.  It might be worth considering having the 32 (or 20 in the new format) Airborne Assault stands as a seperate (relatively expensive) company, and the 16 (or 10) Valkyries as a company sized special card that is only allowed to be taken by the Airborne Assault Company.  Just a thought.

Oh, like the idea of making the Company smaller.  It a) gets rid of a company with a ludicrously high break point, and b) makes it slightly more possible to field it...only have to afford 10 Valkyries now!!

Hi!

By the way its a standard netepic rule that you can give separate rules to the transports and the crew cargo separately once they disembark. This is to avoid the silly situations of transports "hanging around" when they arent needed.

SO the Valkyries could go and harass some targets after dumping the cargo.

If the core rules don't mention this clearly, they need to edited.

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Hi

On a separate note stats for the Siegfried, ragnarok and those small little cannons that came with those units.

Suggestions for stats welcome.

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