Cheers, Erik. Yes, your right. NetEpic is far better than EA... ERC... whatever.    (Please, that was a joke. I have nothing but respect for the lads and the game.)

25 seems a bit low for some reason, cant put my finger on it though.

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Or perhaps even 1 per INFANTRY Company as its an infantry support squad (though that is only relevant if you want it to go into the standard IG list and not in the codex list)

(this is realy somthing Squats could use with its wooping 1 card with 175p for some reason, but thats another story =)

Oh and the Doctrinal moral boost should prolly be a better base moralvalue then standard IG, easier rule and still in the spirit of the doctrine I think

Beastmen - GW seems to have done a redaction on Beastmen similar to the one they performed on Squats.  The old Beasties were an integral part of the Guard, as can be seen by that Mordian TOE, and by the fact they were included on the IG Sprue and their commander is wearing IG Carapace armour!  I actually rarely use Beastmen though I now have enough for 3 companies worth and have contemplated an all Beastmen army.  In any case, I can't see any reason to "update" to GWs current world view.  One of the neat things about NE is we can ignore GWs Orwellian surgery on their own written history.

Mortars - they look ok to me, but perhaps a restriction of one support card per infantry company would be fitting.

Mordians - Ok, I'll move them to another thread

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The Compendium is a GW publication circa 1989 full of WD articles for the original 40k.  This is the era of fluff that Space Marine was based on so it's a good resource.  "Compilation" is the same but a little younger...1991 IIRC.

According to the TOE the actual Assault Platoon has:

Command Section: Captain,Medic, Sarge, Orderly, 2 Guardsmen, Commissar
3 Assault Squads: 1 Sarge, 7 Guardsmen, 2 Plasma Gun Troopies
(all equipped with jump packs)

I assumed for Epic purposes we pool the Commissars from each platoon into 1 stand for the company.  So you have effectively 7 stands worth of troops.  For simplicity and ease of translation I made that 5 stands, but it could equally be 6.

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Ok, Mortars, one per Infantry Company sounds right. Good catch Malleus, thanks.

(this is really something Squats could use with its wooping 1 card with 175p for some reason, but thats another story =)

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Eight hours later and still no replies for this?
What's this, is netEpic a DEAD game?  

   

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yupp 3+ moral for all IG in an Cadian army (except Allies, i.e. if you'd ally with tallahrn or whatever the troops under their commanddont get the moralboost)

Good a 3+ Morale for the entire Cadian and Cadian attached units but not allies is what I meant too.

Now, excuse me please... I wish to have a word with my inpatient friend Erik...    Hmmm, I see a long line of maybe a hundred individual Chaos Squats and nine Robots that are still to be sent, sitting on a window sill and being flicked out the window one by one for ever "DEAD" remark you make. *PING!* Oh dear, that's one... any more comments?  

 

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Sounds like he's building a Chaos Squat NetEpic army from my list.  

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We could align mortar squadron on mole mortar/Thudd Guns profiles:

Mortar Battery (Light Artillery)
Contents: 3 Mortars
Break Points: 2
Morale: 5 (adjust this value to the IG Codex Army ?)
Victory Points: 1
Cost: 100

Mortar
Move: 5 cm
Save: -
CAF: -3
Weapon: Mortar
Range: 50 cm
Attack Dice: 2 BP@
To-Hit Roll: Varies
TSM: -1 or TSM: 0 but with ignore cover special ability

So we have a simple profile, close to the existing Thudd Gun (smaller range but better TSM or interesting special ability) and it will not need to many play test.

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Not bad Scream, I would normally agree with those stats due to the fact that Mortars in reality would be far stronger than the stats I have given mine but I feel the game just wont support it with the pre-existing stats for other units.

The Ignore cover idea... I personally would buy some Gorgons for that job even if they are dearer per battery and given the choice I would probably prefer to pay for Basilisks than support artillery at 100 points. To me that just makes stats/points value. The conclusion for me is that Support Weapons must be cheaper for anyone to be tempted to take them.

I was trying for a smaller support section that was cheap enough that you could throw one in with most infantry companies or as your last choice to fill the +25 point gap that is sometimes left.

I've used these for a year now and play wise the extra barrage template is no better than a few tactical stands with the exception of the extra indirect attack. But if the enemy bunches up then that's where the Mortar (In real life too, I would imagine) excels.

However, as well as the Light Mortar Section I have also been trying a heavy mortar. If the light mortar section could be equated to a WWII Platoon Support 60mm or 81mm Mortar that allows fairly decent fire and relocate options...
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...then the Heavy Mortar I'm trying out is more like the 160mm Russian Heavy Mortar that is fixed in place and can not move. It is fairly similar to your own stats Scream and may be of interest...
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Here are my stats...

IG Heavy Mortar (75? points, BP 2, 3x units in a battery)
Immobile, - save, -3Caf, Heavy Mortar 100cm 6cm Temp, 2BP, -1TSM. (Immobile, Artillery, 6cm Temp, Tow)

Most of these were originally added to the PDF who needed as much extra firepower as they could get because of the lack of heavy ordinance IMO. I then allowed my IG to use the Light Mortar as it just made no since not to.

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I like it, but I struggle to see how the PDF lack Heavy Ordinance...Earthshakers...hello...

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Hello!   Yes, yes, ok. But consider the fact they have less in the way of Superheavy firepower. You can pick some support SHT's but not a company so you are always struggling to kill off any major Titan opposition. It can be done but it is harder to do. I don't disagree with this however as they are PDF after all. The Praetorian Leviathan is a life saver for the PDF too.

The Earthshakers are good and cheap and the troops can keep back just about anything for a turn or two but when that line is breached your Earthshakers are toast. I always find when choosing the PDF army it's the lack of Heavy equipment that concerns me most of all. So for me it comes down to taking as much firepower for your army as you can get in order to make those few turns before close combat count. Your only chance IMO is to break him before he reaches you.

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With mortars @75 points with 100cm range, BP2, TSM -1, you won't see thuddguns/mole mortars any more on the battlefield. The "immobile" is strange, it's immobile but can be tow. Immobile means the units is fixed in the ground and can not be moved. Give it a 10cm on charge and can not move & fire in the same turn.

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By scream | Posted on 10 Jan. 2009, 14:44
Immobile means the units is fixed in the ground and can not be moved. Give it a 10cm on charge and can not move & fire in the same turn.

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