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Drop Pods again and again
darkangel
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:40 am 
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(primarch @ Aug. 10 2007,04:54)
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Hi!

Would it be worthwhile to include these clarifications?

I think so.

Primarch

i think so too...because there are so many scatters, that a temporary point could be out of the table, even if you do not put the first point at the edge on the table.

so i think it would good to mention that in the rules that temporary positions due to the deep strike procedure do not avoid that the finishing point culd be back on the table.

so you avoid any further discussions, too.
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OzT and I are working on a load sharing arrangement to get the Errata/Additions/Clarifications typed up.  Hopefully JW will chip in an Adobe-ise the finished docs.  

Any word on the whole Gold process?  We were wondering whether we should do up NetEpic 5.1 books in the interim (or strangely, 5.3 for Chaos...).

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OzT and I are working on a load sharing arrangement to get the Errata/Additions/Clarifications typed up. ?Hopefully JW will chip in an Adobe-ise the finished docs. ?

Any word on the whole Gold process? ?We were wondering whether we should do up NetEpic 5.1 books in the interim (or strangely, 5.3 for Chaos...).

good to hear zap. but i am sure, after netepic gold there will come a netepic platin... :D  but it is great that so many epic member supports this fantastic netepic...to make it better and cleaer.
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(zap123 @ Aug. 10 2007,14:19)
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OzT and I are working on a load sharing arrangement to get the Errata/Additions/Clarifications typed up. ?Hopefully JW will chip in an Adobe-ise the finished docs. ?

Any word on the whole Gold process? ?We were wondering whether we should do up NetEpic 5.1 books in the interim (or strangely, 5.3 for Chaos...).

Well I've put the books on hold for now since it seemed people wanted to apply so many changes, new units and eratta. Edition a word document is one thing. A layouted book another. Frankly is is a pain in the @$$ so I'd rather wait than having to redo all the books straight away.

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Hi!

WMN, has the right of it. The editing/revision process needs to conclude, changes finalized and submited to him before netepic gold can be made.

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Hokay....I'll crack a whip or two :D

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(zap123 @ Aug. 12 2007,06:35)
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hi zap, great dicission yesterday, with only a few questions open:

1) we found the sentense in the core rules:"...Models more than 2 cm into the woods are hidden, cannot be targeted and the only way to get 'em is to send troops in after 'em and go to Close Combat (or use artillery)...." so how can you use artillery if you can not targed them?

2) drop things: which orders do you have to give units which can throw bombs during their movement? can they throw their bombs, even if they are on charge?

3) how do you manage the line of sight in praxis...you must see at half of the model size...?...example: a knight stands behind a hill which protects the legs of him...he can shoot as normal, but can he be shoot by eveyone as normal, too?

4) how do you manage the set up of both armies...unit by unit or card by card? and you begin with the largest models?
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1) Artillery can target "an area", allowing you to put the template over the units hiding in hindering.  Of course, you cant see them so the template will scatter.
2) For "Drop Things" you would need to be on Advance orders (specified in the old Hive War book for example).....or be a Command unit I suppose.
3) The way we play - For units without a template, if you can see a bit of it, you can target it.  For template units, we play you can only target the bits of the model you can see, and if you scatter into "hidden" bits you have missed.  This rule was introduced back in the SM2 days (and annoyingly cost me a Tournament just after it printed!)
4) We still do it the old fashioned way.  The player with the smaller army draws his setup, then the other puts his full army out.

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1) Artillery can target "an area", allowing you to put the template over the units hiding in hindering. ?Of course, you cant see them so the template will scatter.

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i do not understand. if you do not have any troops of your own inside the forest to give you coordinates, although you will targed an area, which no one can see??????? I thought that some of your own units have to give you informations about a target to shoot at? but who will give you the information of the coordinates, if no one can see that point in the middle of the forest?
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They have a map, some aerial recon and a satellite.

:)

If you have no flyers and no Titans and no one in a building or on top of a hill then I guess you couldn't do it.  Eh, the target can't do anything themselves anyway, so why worry.




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(zap123 @ Aug. 13 2007,01:24)
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4) We still do it the old fashioned way. ?The player with the smaller army draws his setup, then the other puts his full army out.

ok, that sounds logically!

one more question to point 4)

what do you mean with "smaller" army? do you mean model size, because both sides play the same points?!
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1) Artillery can target "an area", allowing you to put the template over the units hiding in hindering. ?Of course,

question to point 1)

so you do not have to target a model with barrage weapons, right? if you want to, you could target an empty point anywhere on the table with direct or indirect barrage? this would mean that if a model stands behind a house, i can target an empty point near by the model and in line of sight and put the barrage tamplate there and if i fire with a multiple barrage weapon (such as the manticore has), then i will cover the model with the second barrage tamplate, which i put at the edge from the first to hit the covered model?!
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(darkangel @ Aug. 13 2007,11:53)
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(zap123 @ Aug. 13 2007,01:24)
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4) We still do it the old fashioned way. ?The player with the smaller army draws his setup, then the other puts his full army out.

ok, that sounds logically!

one more question to point 4)

what do you mean with "smaller" army? do you mean model size, because both sides play the same points?!

The army with less models.

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(darkangel @ Aug. 13 2007,15:44)
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1) Artillery can target "an area", allowing you to put the template over the units hiding in hindering. ?Of course,

question to point 1)

so you do not have to target a model with barrage weapons, right? if you want to, you could target an empty point anywhere on the table with direct or indirect barrage? this would mean that if a model stands behind a house, i can target an empty point near by the model and in line of sight and put the barrage tamplate there and if i fire with a multiple barrage weapon (such as the manticore has), then i will cover the model with the second barrage tamplate, which i put at the edge from the first to hit the covered model?!

Yup. (although for Indirect, something in your army must be able to see the spot you're targetting and give up their fire to be the spotter).




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(zap123 @ Aug. 14 2007,02:18)
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ok, and if you hit some troops, who are standing in the middle of a forest, you will get the normal -1 to hit modifier, except your weapon ignores cover, right?
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