(scream @ Jun. 28 2007,14:07)

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But thudd gun are artillery, they add their 2 BP to reach 6BP and 4+ to hit and the barrage template to hit several units in one shot...

4 dreadnoughs deredeo cost 100 but you only have 4 attack dices, not 8 unless I badly read the Adeptus Astartes Codex

50 points for thudd guns may add more problems than solving some...Because if you change the TG cost, it means modifying the TG squat unit cost (150 for 5 TG), the light artillery squat company, and what about the mole mortar ? If you change the TG, you could also change the MM cost to 75... But if you modify the mole mortar cost, you'll need to change the whirlwind cost! And all units in other races where artillery profiles are close to TG should be reviewed too...

(scream @ Jun. 28 2007,14:07)

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But thudd gun are artillery, they add their 2 BP to reach 6BP and 4+ to hit and the barrage template to hit several units in one shot...

4 dreadnoughs deredeo cost 100 but you only have 4 attack dices, not 8 unless I badly read the Adeptus Astartes Codex

50 points for thudd guns may add more problems than solving some...Because if you change the TG cost, it means modifying the TG squat unit cost (150 for 5 TG), the light artillery squat company, and what about the mole mortar ? If you change the TG, you could also change the MM cost to 75... But if you modify the mole mortar cost, you'll need to change the whirlwind cost! And all units in other races where artillery profiles are close to TG should be reviewed too...

(scream @ Jun. 28 2007,14:07)

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But thudd gun are artillery, they add their 2 BP to reach 6BP and 4+ to hit and the barrage template to hit several units in one shot...

4 dreadnoughs deredeo cost 100 but you only have 4 attack dices, not 8 unless I badly read the Adeptus Astartes Codex

50 points for thudd guns may add more problems than solving some...Because if you change the TG cost, it means modifying the TG squat unit cost (150 for 5 TG), the light artillery squat company, and what about the mole mortar ? If you change the TG, you could also change the MM cost to 75... But if you modify the mole mortar cost, you'll need to change the whirlwind cost! And all units in other races where artillery profiles are close to TG should be reviewed too...

(scream @ Jun. 28 2007,16:00)

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I'm sorry if my first reply sounds "rude" it was not my idea to "schock?" you.

I don't know if it's unfair or not...but you can easily shoot and destroy shadowraiders as the save is hard to success (5+) if you go thru the shadow field. You can destroy it with any standard infantry or in CC with a land speeder... not a Shadowsword.

Dreadnough costs the same but have different profiles and +2 to CAF may seems poor but is still a good advantage and will often do the difference between destruction or success. Deredeo or Furibundus are not made to do the same missions. They are not ultimate as the terminators but do not cost the same When your artillery is charged by a ThunderHawk full of tactical SM, do you prefer protecting it with a sentinel unit or a guardsmen detachment ? I prefer sentinels...+2 to CAF and you can engage the SM and surely prevent your artillery from being totally wiped out...and your sentinels will surely not be all destroyed.

All is balance, this does not mean that all is balanced but players are working on it in Errata threads