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Enemies of the Eldar
Mojarn Piett
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:02 am 
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(Enderel @ Sep. 04 2006,11:42)
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umm I must have missed that fast units can do that?  I bought a targetting matrix so that I could do the move fire move thing??

It's already an aspect of the fast ability in version 4?

Yes. Page 63 of the rulebook states that fast vehicles can move up to 12" and fire one main weapon (a weapon with Str > 7) and all defensive weapons (Str <= 6).

Starcannon is Str 6...

Page 69 of the rulebook states that all penetrating hits against a skimmer moving more than 6" count as glancing hits.

You pointy ears have it made.  :(

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Enderel
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With the Crystal Targetting Matrix I can move 6" out of cover fire my weapons (Pulse (8) and scatter lasers (6)) in the movement phase and then move another 6" back into cover.

Very useful but disappearing.in new codex apparently.  :(

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Mojarn Piett
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(Mohawk @ Aug. 31 2006,07:16)
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As for negative feelings regardning starcannon spam - its rediculus: the starcannon kills marines as good as a heavy bolter kills most eldar - and cost 3 times as much, with BS3! I do not complain if a marine brings Heavy bolters, and voe the marine player that complains if i bring starcannons.

Heavy Bolters don't have AP2.

If mounted on vehicles they can't move 12" and fire or count all penetrating hits as glancing hits.  

Half of the aspects and all of the jetbikes get a save against a Heavy Bolter while a Starcannon happily munches up everything in a marine army without an invulnerable save i.e. everything except Terminators and characters with force fields.

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Mojarn Piett
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(Enderel @ Sep. 04 2006,11:46)
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can vehicles move in the assault phase?

No, unless they are walkers.

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Enderel
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[quote="Mojarn Piett,Sep. 05 2006,08:18"][/quote]
Heavy Bolters don't have AP2.

-- ?Very true. ?You do have to pay for that though and Heavy 3 is becoming Heavy 2 apparently. ?Statistically I expect you'll find three heavy bolters (9 Shots at strength 5 ap4) against 1 star cannon (2 shots at strength 6 ap2) will mean that the bolters inflict more damage over a turn.

If mounted on vehicles they can't move 12" and fire or count all penetrating hits as glancing hits. ?

-- This does makes a big difference. ?Fast and Skimmer on a main battle tank is a massive benefit, but Tau also get this I believe. ?Not that I'm using this as an excuse! ?Maneouverability is the main aspect of an Eldar army so it is to be expect and can be countered.

Half of the aspects and all of the jetbikes get a save against a Heavy Bolter while a Starcannon happily munches up everything in a marine army without an invulnerable save i.e. everything except Terminators and characters with force fields.

-- Front line troops such as Rangers (In the open), Guardians and the 4+ (presuming from what I remember that AP4 for heavy bolters) Aspect warriors do get eaten up though. ?With the new codex coming out I expect to see a lot more of these troops on the battlefield. So more targets for marines!

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Enderel
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(Mojarn Piett @ Sep. 05 2006,08:23)
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(Enderel @ Sep. 04 2006,11:46)
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can vehicles move in the assault phase?

No, unless they are walkers.

Thought so thanks.

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No, Tau tanks have a piece of wargear that lets them shoot as if they're a fast vehicle (up to 12" and shoot one main and all defensive), but they aren't actually Fast (ie, can't move 24").  Eldar tanks have a nasty sprint capability, and a Falcon w/Holofield and CTM is nigh-invulnerable (kinda like my Crisis suits... wonder where that idea came from?)

Also, all the Eldar heavy weapon costs are going down, in some cases significantly.  

What are your Rangers doing in the open?  They belong in the treeline, and don't need to be close to do their job.  Your Dire Avengers, Fire Dragons and Banshees should be in Wave Serpents or Falcons (which are immune to Heavy Bolters), and Scorpions should be infiltrating into cover as close as possible to your opponents (to charge in next turn).  Swooping Hawks have a deep strike, shoot, and 'Skyleap' back into reserve ability in the new codex.  Warp Spiders and Reapers have the armor to mostly ignore heavy bolter fire.

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