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What Happened to "Space Slann?"

MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:24 pm

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Primarch,

Hi!
I did not receive it, you may need to resend it.
Primarch.

OK. I forwarded the E-mail to you again. It has a series of questions.

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primarch

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:26 pm

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Hi!

I got it, I'll need some time to track down some specifics.

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Shadow Hunter

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:18 pm

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As far as GW are probably concerned, they would be a little apprehensive about re-releasing a race of Slann.

The links between Fantasy and 40K are slowly fading, and I doubt they would sunddenly introduce such a strong hint as the Slann.

In all recent fluff, the Slann have been referred to as 'The Old Ones'. (Which is actually who the Fantasy Slann refer too themselves

when they talk about the creators) so I dont see the name of Slann returning to 40K.

In the GW fluff, the Slann created the lesser races to help in their war against the Necrons (totally the opposite to Netepic fluff). As the C'tan were using the Necrontyr, a very resilient race, the OO's needed cannon fodder and elites. This came in the form of the Eldar and Krorks (Orks).

Now I am a bit hesitant to go into further detail, without any proof at hand. As I have read so many versions, some official, some not so, and some random musings on possibilities of fluff that it starts to blur and distort in my head.

Basically, the war didn't end. The Ctan went into stasis thinking that when they emerge the OO and all the Psykers (which they dont particularly like) would have died off. And the Slann appear to have taken a step back. Whether they have gone exploring other galaxies, or are hidden on isolated worlds 'pondering' the meaning of life I can't remember. I am sure there are very few of them left, however.

Personally, I would be very surprised if they ever show up again. More likely they would just exist as a faded memory and an occasional hint of a past race. What I do see happening, is something with the Eldar Gods. With the Laughing God still alive, Khaela Mensha Khaines modified history (to take into accout the C'tan) and the possibilities of Ynnead, there is some scope.

However, if brought out with stats, then 40K will be reverting to its old hero hammer status. That would not be fun. The C'tan should have been left as fluff too.

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Legion 4

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:49 pm

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Nothing says that on a long forgotten, far flung planet, a Slann Outpost couldn't still exist.

The 10mm Pendraken Lizardmen would fit that description with las-weapons & dino riders perfectly. Although larger than G/Ws 6mm (see Primarch's excellent gallery), they are another whole race so that is not really a concern.

Many Dinos on this planet were huge compared to us "Humies!"

Even the 10mm Pendraken Predator figures (just like the ones in the Movies!), could fit in on that planet.

Giant Alien Lizardmen defending their primeval jungle home world from the invaders/explorers. ?

Standard Sci-Fi stuff, I see a scenario in there somewhere... :;):

?

Maybe even throw in some Exodites! ?

Hollywood couldn't do any better! :laugh:

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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:14 pm

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ShadowHunter,

With the Laughing God still alive, Khaela Mensha Khaines modified history (to take into accout the C'tan) and the possibilities of Ynnead, there is some scope.

Who are the Ynead?

I remember the Kr'ork and Eldar, but can't recall the Ynnead for the life of me.

Of course, I don't remmber who the Jokarri are either!

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stormseer

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:59 pm

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Errr...

IIRC, Ynnead is a new god the Eldar are trying to create from a collected infinity circuit-style thing using the souls of the dead (or something like that... I think :;):

) ?

It will take many years for these plans to come to fruition, if they ever do...

I think it went something like that anyway... :-:

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primarch

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:01 pm

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Hi!

The universe is a HUGE place, there's nothing to say that the Slann still have a powerful empire many galaxies away.

While many races are capable of using warp jumps to travel from one galaxy to another, it's entirely possible for another to have intergalactic travel capability.

It took the Tyranids a long time to reach the galaxy and only the Slann seem capable of zipping around the universe quickly.

That's a huge advantage militarily and otherwise.

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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:05 am

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Quote (stormseer @ 04 2003 Aug.,18:59)

Errr...

IIRC, Ynnead is a new god the Eldar are trying to create from a collected infinity circuit-style thing using the souls of the dead (or something like that... I think :;):

) ?

It will take many years for these plans to come to fruition, if they ever do...

I think it went something like that anyway... :-:

Ynnead is the god of the dead and is all the spirits in the infinity circuit. The Eldar hope that one day there are enough of the souls in the Infinity Circuit so that their power exceeds that of Slaanesh and Slaanesh can be destroyed.

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Shadow Hunter

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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:20 pm

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Correct.

Although knowledge of him (Ynnead) is pretty limited. I'm not sure if most ordinary Eldar know of him, it may just be the Farseers who are aware of him, and then only the most potent.

I'm not too aware of the original fluff on the Slann. ?

- Where is it said that they travel the universe?

- Also, if they do, does it go into the technique they use?

- I'm asking since, as I'm aware, the warp is the best/only means of long distance travel. Now as I understand it, ships use the currents of the warp to travel. With safer routes through the immaterium being mapped out. They follow the ebbs and flows of the warp to sepcified jump points.

- These currents are created by the nature of the warp being unstable. This is due to all the emotions from the material universe being absorbed, creating the vortex's and flows. So, as our galaxy is teaming with life, the currents are pretty strong, allowing rapid travel.

- Now, if this is the case, then as you get further froom our Galaxy into the void, there would be a calming effect. The storm of our galaxy due to all the emotions would begin to fade the further from habited systems you get.

- So, after a short while the flow of the warp out in deep space wouldn't be that wild, and ships would alomst be adrift, with no currents to catch. Making travel between galaxies an extremely time consuming event.

- This is my theory on the warp anyway from the information I've gathered.

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primarch

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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:02 pm

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Hi!

In the Rogue Trader (RT) books, there are little blurbs about the Slann and their "Intergalatic Empire."

Like the Eldar, they don't travel through the immaterium like the Imperium does, because of the dangers it poses to them.

- One of the great Slann technological breakthroughs is the construction and use of webgates. They are much safer and they do not only span space inside of one galaxy like the Eldar gates mostly do, but if you know all the webroutes you can span many galaxies and some say, even time (as going back in time).

- Without this Slann invention, the Eldar would not exist since they would be quickly snuffed out by the forces of the warp.

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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:31 pm

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That's interesting!

- I am always a bit hesitant about things that can effect time travel.

- After all, if the Slann could travel back in time, why would they not alter the time line in a more favourable way?

- So, the webways span more than just our galaxy.

- I wonder if the Harlequins and Laughing God know of these routes?

- The Laughing God is supposed to know all the secrets, so maybe he's connected in some way to the Old Ones (I think some believe the OO are in fact the Eldar Gods of Old).

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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:38 pm

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Young Jedi,

- After all, if the Slann could travel back in time, why would they not alter the time line in a more favourable way? - ShadowHunter

"There is so little you know of time travel yet. Settle down and listen to the master... "

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primarch

Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:13 pm

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Hi!

The Harlequins and laughing God and INDEED know about routes that may go to the past, its one of their quests according to some of those black library books to find such a route to undo the birth of slannesh. They just dont know where it lies.

I dont think the slann know enough to change time, it seems to be a "byproduct" of webgates. A peculiar "quirk" that needs to be studied.

Who knows?

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Post subject: What Happened to "Space Slann?"

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:16 am

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Curiously enough, when I got home last night and continued to read the Harlequin novel I'm in the middle of, It mentions these junctions of inertia (I think they call them).

It goes on about how they are going to use them in some way. It also goes on about the illuminati, sensei and Numen. Then, thats what the books about.

Has anyone else read it? I dont think its that great personally, and there are a number of errors in it.

Things like, Marines using Eldar Reaper launchers to shoot down a space craft (Eldar weapons are supposed to be reactive to the psychic presence of their owner only. They are fired via mental inputs not using buttons/triggers.)

Howling Banshee's helmets having mandibles which shoot lasers (no, thats striking scorpions)

Dire Avengers riding Jet bikes (that would be shining spears).

Those aren't the reasons for it not being great, however. For me, he seemed to ramble on a bit. Taking pages sometimes to describe something simple.

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stormseer

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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:01 pm

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I havn't read Harlequin, as no libraries around here seem to have it (I'm tight so I don't bother buying books unless I'm going to read them more than once.. lol

) ...though having read the other Inquisition War books and some of his other science fiction, I found that the rambling style is one of Ian Watson's little quirks as an author.. and not one I particually like...

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