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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:50 am 
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Quote (Iceplague @ 11 2005 Jan.,10:26)
Maybe its an Marine gone transvestite? ?:p
I mean, u can do wonders with plastic surgery. Hehe.

Thats some serious gene-seed mutation Iceplague!

Ahhh- step 21 of the Marine conversion process- the nip and Tuck!

:D  :p

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:04 am 
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And here I was hoping for enlightened topics rather than sexist, childish comments...damn and after I converted two (now ex) girlfriends to the games and painting...

Seriously you are in a universe where heavy combat oprations are taking place daily, even the most protected take (sometimes) heavy casualties, limiting the intake to males is not logical but also suicidal, just because of oestrogen this does not mean that the DNA and RNA of the human being cannot take the modifications (just look at a Claddius Assassin...they're female) needed to create a marine.

Look just because the image is a "male only club" seems an exception rather than the rule, the Imagery and ethic is androgynous and asexual, you try telling a potent warrior they cannot be somthing because of some diferent wiring, and see what happens...

Now I have worked hard to show female friends that the image of the games are more a mental excercise than a political statement, without bigotry and sexisim and I feel that (aside from being a minority) that the image does not [I]fit[I] with the concept of all out war. (nor with the precident set by the Soviets)...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:41 am 
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My favourite WW2 poster is a Pic of Esther Williams in a Navy Coat and hat (only) saying:
"I wish I were a man- then I could join the Navy!"

You have some very valid ponits there k176034, but you cant take it all too seriously, otherwise you wouldnt be in GW universe would you! :p

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Point and match, Tas !!!  :;):

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and ?defining imagery for others is not serious? I was just getting annoyed at how every story of the GW universe, dealing with invasions and Incursions details only the raised armies and standing regiments, then talks about conscription during a crisis (Ie GW changing the fluff every release of a game...)and yet a body is a body is a body...comes through instantly, I take competetive games seriously and Fluff with about a ton of salt...

I've yet to see a GW Fangirl - the concept is scary!


NO they normally go through mail order when they do, or (attempt) to look fashionable when in the shop.... ??? ?going "Im only here for my brother / boyfriend / person i hang round with" whilst buying models and paint.....

Now that is scary ?:;):

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:25 am 
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Quote (k176034 @ 11 2005 Jan.,00:04)
And here I was hoping for enlightened topics rather than sexist, childish comments...

In a _WARGAMING FORUM_?  A forum where men who stopped to grow up a long time ago (like me, for example) frequent to discuss toy soldiers? :o  :p


Seriously you are in a universe where heavy combat oprations are taking place daily, even the most protected take (sometimes) heavy casualties, limiting the intake to males is not logical but also suicidal, just because of oestrogen this does not mean that the DNA and RNA of the human being cannot take the modifications (just look at a Claddius Assassin...they're female) needed to create a marine.


Problem is, for some reason the marine genetic engineering is keyed to _male_ hormones. And since nobody knows about how the process actually works due to degradation of knowledge there are no female marines.

Note that this _only_ concerns marines. IG recruits females as does every other imperial organisation from Inquisition to Adeptus Terra.


Look just because the image is a "male only club" seems an exception rather than the rule, the Imagery and ethic is androgynous and asexual, you try telling a potent warrior they cannot be somthing because of some diferent wiring, and see what happens...

Now I have worked hard to show female friends that the image of the games are more a mental excercise than a political statement, without bigotry and sexisim and I feel that (aside from being a minority) that the image does not [I]fit[I] with the concept of all out war. (nor with the precident set by the Soviets)...


BTW, if we are discussing about equality, why don't I see any outcry about the _all female_  clubs there are in the 40k universe, which even outnumber the all male ones (the marines) twice over. Namley Howling Banshees and the Sisters of Battle... :;):

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There are male Howling Banshees, just very few of them. (oh, and no models of course!) :;):

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The Emperor just told me that only the SMs without helments are men. All the rest are women!
It's true!!!
:laugh: ?At least as true as anything else in the fluff! :laugh:

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I origionally meant that comment as "this is different form topics you hear on Games nights" about non sexist, non childish comments (you know "my army is better than yours..." even when you have thrashed them totally...) or the ones that come from having a gang of escher (you only got them for the tits...) type of thing...and put what is irritating people into a world outside the table view...to go with attitudes displayed away in the "real world" (even when it seems someones sick joke...GW Bush again...oh please wich sick Bas*ard came up with that...)

Feamle GW players are akin to an endagered spiecies and the way things are going... you get the picture, and damn I like the idea of playing against a female, most don't smell  bad and some look ok (unlike most of us...) we just need to stop treating them differently...

about taking something seriously, is it not serious for a person to have there Ideas and feeling supressed by a majority, even if its only derision and not anything harsh, like total supression of Ideas or different thinking (the "they're oppresing me line")

apart from some different wiring the male and female bodies bulk up the same and its only society that define something, when society is different, defininitions are different...

any way maybe that marine has just had 5/8 beers every day for the last 300 years say...maybe that would satisfy male ego on a very good concept...of female marines...

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This is like the 'Star Destroyer vs Enterprise' kind of argument, you know?   ???

Not that that is a bad thing.....

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Star destryer Vs USS Enterprise? which nterprise Vs Which Star Destroyer? maybe this will become clear as mud wiht the reply...

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Well I'm a big Hammer's Slammers fan (I like the stories way better than G/W's fluff !!!)  and he (Drake) has female Grunts, T.C.s etc.  Even Heinlein said if he were to do it again, he'd have Starship Trooper females too (like in the movies!?).  And as many know, I'm a big fan of "do what works for you and your gaming crew" !  :D  (Have not said that in awhile !) :o But based on my previous experiance, as a Grunt officer for 10? years in four Infantry Bns and attached to a Tank Bn on occasions, on 3 continents ...  Well I'm no Drake or Heinlein, but Grunt work is hard enough for men and I know very few females that could do it (if any ?).  Not just the physical aspect but the mental aspect. In the world of a Grunt, the world of institionalized murder ... not alot of males can do it ... or want to.  But as I said, do what works for you, especially in a Sci-Fi game with toy soldiers !          :;): :laugh:

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Well in the Navy we allow women to do almost everything, even be submariners (Indeed, my sister is Operations Officer of one right now) which many other navies dont (Royal Navy and US Navy included). ?

We dont allow them in our clearance diver teams though as they have an infantry/SF role. ?

The Australian Army has many women in its ranks, but doesnt allow them in "arms" corps either ?(Infantry, Armour, Artillery)





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I think that's a fair compromise of what can become a heated argument between different generations in the armed forces. To be fair, though, I think the RAAF has the best idea; they send the officers to fight while the noncoms stay at base :)


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Quote (Serps @ 13 2005 Jan.,10:01)
I think that's a fair compromise of what can become a heated argument between different generations in the armed forces. To be fair, though, I think the RAAF has the best idea; they send the officers to fight while the noncoms stay at base :)

???

While attempting to not rise to this bait Serps, I'll just point to the myriad of NCOs in the back of P3s, C130s, helicopters...

The Navy is the least discrimatory - we take EVERYBODY with us!  And if you dont like it....swim home by yourself!
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