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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:45 am 
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Ok, well I will start this off by saying I'd like to see a Dark Eldar light cruiser, probably something modular like the rest of the DE fleet.  I figure posting this is a good idea since the last time I wished for a fleet list upon a star, I found out Xisor had already made a Demiurg fleet list so I'm hoping for such luck again.

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Sadist Class Light Cruiser-------------------------------145 pts
Type/Hits----Speed----Turns----Shields----Armor----Turrets
Cruiser/4----40---------90---- Shadowfield---5+------0

Armament--------Range/Speed-----Firepower/Str------Fire Arc
Prow Batteries------30cm-----------------8----------------F

In addition to it's integrated main batteries, you may choose to add one of the following weapons systems at the cost shown.

Prow Torpedos------30cm-----------------4----------------F-----15pts
Phantom Lance------30cm-----------------2----------------F------15pts
Impaler----------Attack Craft 30cm-----Special(1)----   --  ----15pts
Launch Bays----Fighters 30cm------------2--------------   --  ----20 pts
-------------------Bombers 20cm
--------------------Boats 30cm

Notes:  A Sadist class which is of the Wych Cult of Strife present in a given raiding fleet represent Lelith Hesperax's interest in the Dark Archon of the fleet.  Thus they are filled with battle-hardened Wyches and replace their main batteries with either a second impaler, or a second launch bay which is ONLY capable of launching assault boats, for no additional cost.  This ship will also double it's value in boarding actions and may conduct teleport attacks even if on Reload Ordinance.  Only one such ship may be present in each fleet, and it loses the option to equip torpedos or phantom lances.  Paint it so it's color scheme is different from the rest of the fleet.

Additionally any Sadist class light cruiser may be equipped with mimic engines for an additional 30 points.  Sadists do not need to be accompanied by escorts.

Just when Imperial experts believed there was an emerging pattern to Dark Eldar ship configuration, they encountered another anomaly.  Reports began to filter in of Dark Eldar attacks featuring cruisers which seemed undergunned and smaller along with heavier escorts carrying near cruiser like firepower.  After an attack against a listening post and colony in the Luminar system by four such craft, it was concluded that the gap between Torture and Corsair had been bridged by a light cruiser dubbed "Sadist" class.  Two notable examples of this ship have been recorded.  The first of which is the vessel named simply Venom which has been responsible for the single handed destruction of no less than 4 Imperial cruisers, among which were the three strong Dauntless squadron "Diligence" which was lured into an asteroid field, separated from their sister ships and then destroyed individually.  The second vessel of this configuration seems to be beholden to a famed Wych Cult leader known as Lelith Hesperax.  Named Daughter of Agony, the vessel featured no batteries or phantom lances what so ever but has accounted for the loss of several Imperial vessels along with a number of traitor ships due to it's lethal raiding parties and boarding actions.

So what do you all think?  Any suggestions?  Do you think it is balanced?  (Once I have had a handful of folk look at it and give tweaking advice, I am prolly gonna make a pdf of it and submit it to SG)  Any ship ideas of your own which you want to unveil?





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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:44 am 
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Not bad at all, do you have a model available?

Some points:
* I'm not keen on the name, maybe something like Marquis?
* Fluff wise: destroying a 3 strong Dauntless squadron is quite a feature! Even for 'big' cruisers!
* Lower the batteries to 6 or keep them 8 with a slight point increase.


If SG doesn't want it -> Warp Rift will be happy to show it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:33 am 
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Hehe, no model as of yet but I have an idea of how to cure that with a buddy's spare 40k Hellion board and a BFG DE booster bits pack.  I'm also working on a small story line as to how it pulled off the 1 against 3 thing.  

As for the name, I don't know about Marquis, since there's not a whole lot that is noble about the DE.  But I will look around and see if there are any more fitting names and get back on that one.

Yeah, was struggling with the cost also- I am thinking that perhaps another solution is to simply increase the price of the upgrades?  Mainly b/c if you take this LC with no extra weapons its 145 points for the same firepower that a 130 pt Solaris has.  What do you think?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:07 am 
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I too would really like to see some new Dark Eldar ships (and rules too). With only two ship classes and nearly cloned Eldar rules, there is just not much point to using them unless you are a Dark Eldar fan-boy, and even then...

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Ok, here's the revised entry with the adjusted points cost.  I think that in basing it upon the comparison to a Wraithship, 10-15 points more expensive for a similar loadout is fitting since the ship only takes criticals on a 6 instead of the wraith's 4+.  I had tossed around the idea of tacking on 5 points to the weapon upgrades as well but decided against it.  Also a list of potential alternative class names to Sadist:
Assassin class, Nightmare class, Flayer class, Interloper class, Death Dealer class.  Opinions of the revision please!

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Sadist Class Light Cruiser-------------------------------155 pts
Type/Hits----Speed----Turns----Shields----Armor----Turrets
Cruiser/4----40---------90---- Shadowfield---5+------0

Armament--------Range/Speed-----Firepower/Str------Fire Arc
Prow Batteries------30cm-----------------8----------------F

In addition to it's integrated main batteries, you may choose to add one of the following weapons systems at the cost shown.

Prow Torpedos------30cm-----------------4----------------F-------15pts
Phantom Lance------30cm-----------------2----------------F------15pts
Impaler----------Attack Craft 30cm-----Special(1)----   --  ----15pts
Launch Bays----Fighters 30cm------------2--------------   --  ----20 pts
-------------------Bombers 20cm
--------------------Boats 30cm

Notes:  A Sadist class which is of the Wych Cult of Strife present in a given raiding fleet represents Lelith Hesperax's interest in the Dark Archon of the fleet.  Thus they are filled with battle-hardened Wyches and replace their main batteries with either an impaler, or a S2 launch bay which is ONLY capable of launching assault boats, for no additional cost.  This ship will also double it's value in boarding actions and is only unable to conduct teleport attacks if crippled, is in a boarding action or on Brace For Impact! special orders.  Only one such ship may be present in each fleet, and it loses the option to equip torpedos or phantom lances.  You may not upgrade the launch bays which replace weapons batteries in any way, i.e. may not replace the ABs with mines.    Paint it so it's color scheme is different from the rest of the fleet.

Any Sadist class light cruiser may be equipped with mimic engines for an additional 30 points.  Sadists do not need to be accompanied by escorts.

Just when Imperial experts believed there was an emerging pattern to Dark Eldar ship configuration, they encountered another anomaly.  Reports began to filter in of Dark Eldar attacks featuring cruisers which seemed undergunned and smaller along with reports of heavier escorts carrying near cruiser like firepower.  After an attack against a listening post and colony in the Luminar system by four such craft, it was concluded that the gap between Torture and Corsair had been bridged by a light cruiser dubbed "Sadist" class.  Two notable examples of this ship have been recorded.  The first of which is the vessel simply named Venom which has been responsible for the single handed destruction of no less than 4 Imperial cruisers, among which were the three strong Dauntless squadron "Diligence" which was preyed upon through division of the formation and ambushes over the course of several days.  The second vessel of this configuration seems to be beholden to a famed Wych Cult leader known as Lelith Hesperax.  Named Daughter of Agony, the vessel featured no batteries, phantom lances or torpedos what so ever but has accounted for the loss of several Imperial vessels along with a number of traitor ships due to it's lethal raiding parties and boarding actions.

"...We are all that is left of Diligence squadron.  Initially we feared for the loss of our sistership Hallowed Sight in that asteroid field where we chased the damned aliens.  Two days later we picked her up on augers and rejoiced, thinking she had eluded destruction when in truth it was the aliens once more, imitating her augers readings.  We had no warning and by the time we realized the deception, Diligence was burning from melta torpedos.  We are making all speed for the nearest reinforcements, but I fear we shall not make it, even now we see the auger signature of the lost Diligence closing in upon us..."  -Recovered log of Captain Isarius of the Steadfast of Diligence squadron.





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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:54 pm 
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Point costs seems fine....I think ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:17 pm 
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Awww, I used Sadistic for the DE battleship I made before. Heh!


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I'd like to see bigger than battleship classes for most of the races, perhaps dreadnoughts. I reckon something with around 16 hits, and increased hard points for weapons/ shields/ turrets etc might be nice. Thoughts?

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Dreadnaughts sound like a decent idea- do you envision such ships as being equatable to say... Planet Killers or Tombships?  Also do you think such ships would offset the balance of the game?  It seems they would make something like the "Big 4" warships seem less impressive and mighty.

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Yes, I'm thinking something about planet killer sized, perhaps 14-16 hits with similar restrictions on their use (maybe you would have to field at least 1000pts first before being able to use one). Potentially they could unbalance the game if not used with your opponent's permission, or unless there was an equivalent available to them.
Really, I'm thinking of all the modelling possibilities, much moreso than whether it would be a game winner. Dreadnoughts would be best used in special games, perhaps as an objective to be destroyed for example.
I suspect they might make the 'big 4' seem a little less mighty, but it might be nice to see things evolve a bit.
A friend of mine and I recently designed a bigger version of a space station to use in a BFG campaign we played: called it a battlestation. We stole the idea from Masters of Orion 2, which is full of inspiration for BFG. The battlestation's been playtested and works pretty well, seems balanced enough. Its a tough cookie to crack, but being a defence its only so tough. I reckon 'bigger versions' of things in BFG doesnt rock the boat too much, if its done sensitively...

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