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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:53 pm 
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Haha  :p

I guys, I currently still play Epic40k and I have noticed that this part of the forum doesn't see much action.  I am hoping there are still a few of you that are active enough in it to contribute to this thread.

First, I'd like an example of your favorite detachments.  Any race will do.  I would also like to get an example of what you'd put in a 1000-2000 point army.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 2:03 am 
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I played mostly Eldar in Epic40k.

I liked to use the Wave Serpent / Aspect Warrior striking combo. It has an insanely long striking range.

Jet bikes are awesome in E40k. Use them as firefighting platforms and they're brutal. It does take a little practice to learn how to position them in firefighting distance however.

Nightspinners are generally not worth taking. They don't do a whole lot.

The prism AA/AT vehicle is great.

The Engines of Vaul are brutal if you can get them to pop-up behind cover.

Eldar titans tend to be fragile and hard to use although I often use them. They tend to get killed though.

I only use Guardians to bulk up the break points of vulnerable units.

I never found a good use for support platforms.

The pride of the Eldar military, however, are their flyers. They're better than everyone elses. Hands down.

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This is an odd linguistic fact. Eldar is a Hebrew last name and has been for millenia.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 3:15 am 
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So the Eldar are Jewish, huh? Just kidding.  :;):

I prefer smallish detachments even though they tend not to do well when facing Titans and large detachments.  I just hate mobs unless they're Orks or Tyranids.

When I first got into Epic40k, I was really shocked how expensive the box sets were for the plastic sprues.  Remember when AT/SM first came out? You got 10 sprues in each set for $19.99.  In SM/TL it became 5 for $14.99, which I still don't understand (I am assuming it was because it meant more $), and then in Epic was $9.99 for a large one, or the equivalent of 2.  I know the new infantry sprues are awesome, but still.  I guess boxing them cost a lot, since you can still buy them from GW without the box for much less.

ANYWAY, so at first I said there was no way I was spending all that cash since I really collect every army.  I decided to add up everything that was in the Space Marine Detachment box set and the Space Marine Tanks.  Adding the 25pts for the detachment commander, I actually came up with a 507 or so point army that included 4 detachments.  From their I built each subsequent race by what I could build from their infantry box set with a couple of blisters if needed.  I could a just about build a 500pt Eldar army with one Warhost box and two blisters of falcons.  Orks: one Warband, One Battlewagons, and a Battlefortress set.

I know that by doing this I put together some really rag-tag units that didn't seem to go well together, but it was pretty cool.  I think if you have the room on the board for a 2000pt game it can be pretty fun, but playing a small one with 500pts can be pretty cool as well.  Quick game yes, but it gives you the time to play a couple of games.

Anyway, I have a ton of minis now and usually can build any kind of detachment I want, but I still try to keep them fairly small.  I like 1000pt games, but that usually means there are no big Titans, and maybe a Lord of Battles or a Warhound.  I am guilty of building detachments like they might appear in 40k.

Here's what I tend to do for detachments with each army:

Space Marines: I like to have the main force where I envision the force commander to be, and I sometimes grab the Force Commander detachment, but it is so small.  I always add a Librarian to assault detachments, and usually have at least one Armored Detachment.  I love the Reaver titan, as well as the new Warlord, so I play them when the games are big enough.

Imperial Guard: For some reason I am not crazy about playing the Imperial Guard in Epic40k, although I LOVED THEM in earlier editions.  I really like the Leman Russ in Epic40k, and use as many as I can.  I also love the Baneblade.  I have never had that much success with the Basilisk and other artillery, but that just may be my own doing.

Orks: Lots of Stompas.  I love Stompas.  I love the Battlewagon models as well, so I use lots of them as well.  I love Shokk Attack Guns too, and think no Ork Mob is complete without one or two of them.  I guess there isn't an ork model I wont use, so thats cool.  I tend to build a least on really large mob on foot, a Speed Freak mob, Battlefortress mob, and at least one Gargant, no matter what.  I think Ork armies should revolve around Gargants, so I think they are more important and Titans in other armies.  The Battlefortress are pretty weak, but oh well.

Eldar: First off, I love the Scorpion and Cobra.  I find these just awesome models.  I think a detachment of two Scorpions is better, but I like to have one of each kind just to mix it up.  Guardians have such a short range that they are really only good for firefights, so when I do get them, I try to get as many as I can.  Another favorite detachment of mine is a Harlequin one, led by a Shadow Seer, along with 3 Harlequin stands including a Death Jester, and two Wave Serpents.  I have many favorites but I am trying to keep this short.  Oh, detachment of Swooping Hawks only is cool too.

Tyranids: Well, it starts with the Dominatrx for me, but I love the Hierodule and Hierophant.  I love tons of Hormogaunts and Termagaunts, but think all the Tyranid models are nice.  Nothing fancy with the swarms, I take as much as I can and try to play with at least 2-3 main swarms and 1 mycetic swarm.

Chaos: I designed a Chaos Space Marine Detachment for each of the major powers, and then Daemon ones to match.  I have a Cutlist detachment as well, but only use them as filler.  I love the Lord of Battles and the Banelord.  Of all my detachments, the customizing I did to make the Chaos specific ones are my favorite.

Thats it for now.  See ya.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 5:42 am 
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I feel E40K was the most complete and "clean" of the Epic systems, rule-wise. ?The smaller detachments were similar to SM1 and we preferred that. SM1 was only half-baked. The Chaos & Eldar are good examples of that. SM2 with it's Huge requirements of forces, in some cases "cartoony" rules, bright colors, etc. was a surprise to us and yet was the best seller in the Epic saga. So with the 4th evolution (+ home made, hybrid rules) of Epic looming in the distance, there should be enough ways to play with 6mm toy soldiers and Aliens to satisfy everyone. :D ?The Eldar Jewish ?! ?I thought they were Vulcans !!! ?:laugh: ? ?As I have said before, I play all Armies and try to fight combined arms warfare within the constraints of the rules ... :D

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Epic 40K?  Hurrah.

It was the first edition I played (only edition really as EpicA hasn't been released yet) so I think its great.

I have been thinking of taking it to the club instead of the trial rules for EpicA.  Basically, because of them changing so regular as they develope, there's really little hope of initiating other players into the fold.

If I take the old Epic40k, though, with its actual rule books, and army lists, people are more likely to be interested.

If I take the EpicA rules, printed on a thousand sheets of A4, it'll give the impression of a homemade effort.

There are a lot of players at my club, who I dont think have played epic at all.  So any edition should draw them in.  And I think Epic40K will be the easiest one to do it.

Personally, I used Eldar.  I loved my Fire Prisms, WG, and Vypers.

I also loved the Avatar!!!


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Hey Shadow Hunter! Nice to meet another Epic40k fan!

I love the Fire Prism too. Definately one of the best Epic models.

How do you build your Eldar Detachments?  I am curious as to what other people do outside our group.  I prefer smaller detachments with about 10-12 Units, but some people like really large ones.  I know Eldar detachments are more limited in size, so do you build general purpose ones, or specialized ones?

I just sent an email to Jervis asking to shed some light on the Exodite stuff on the GW site, and are hoping he will help me out coming up with some experimental rules for them for Epic40k.  I know he is really involved with EpicA, but I'll post what I get back!

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My fomations were built with a 'scalpel' theme in mind.

They are small, but perfectly formed.  :D

I do try to have one large guardian formation, something that can take a bit of punishment, and stick around.  Also, something that is a bit forgiving and flexible.

Other than that, I'll have my all jet bike and vyper formation for the outflanking.

Fast aspect warrior detachment, consisting of jump packs and a falcon with SS or banshees.  As support they will have Wave seprents to apply some blast markers ready for the assault.

Its been a wee while since I really looked at what I used to use.  Haven't played it for far too long.  I may try and rope someone into a game.


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Our Eldar War Hosts are based on SM2 concepts with Guardians transported & supported by Falcons. And those are augmented by Walkers/Dreads, bikes, platfrom weapons, Aspects and other heavier AFVs (Tempests, Cobras etc.).  They, like the Orks, lack much artillery, but that can be made up for by aircraft (and off-board if you use those rules).  But the ability for most of their vehicles to do "pop-up" attacks gives them a real "edge"...  ???

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Gandalf-the-Grey,

I just sent an E-mail to Jervis asking to shed some light on the Exodite stuff on the GW site, and are hoping he will help me out coming up with some experimental rules for them for Epic40k. I know that he is really involved with EpicA, but I'll post what I get back!


I almost wished you hadn't have done this. I can imagine JErvis trying to block their sale as has happened with the GW-UK site. Oh well. Probably nothing will come of it.

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Oh ####. I wish I hadn't done that either! Why did stop their sale?????

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Hi!

I agree with Maksim (darn this is becoming quite a habit! :) ). Jervis and some other GW bigwigs seem to like to buy epic's past and one sure fire way is to "eliminate" those annoying little reminders of such a past.

I think little will come of it, but its best to come up with our own rules for these little "gems" that GWUS still offers us.

Netepic has some proto-type rules for Exodites Eldar which is being tested. I'd like to hear any ideas people have for them, for any epic version.

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I agree. Really, you should leave GW people out of it. The less they know about what we do, the better. There is a slight power struggle going on and we do not need to add any gasoline to the fire. Hopefully, nothing will come of this. However, if something does, we know who to blame.  :D

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Hi!

Actually, for some time, I have thought of writing a formal letter as well as petition that IF Epic A doesn't do well, that GW should just pump out minis and leave the whole "rules thing" to the player base. After all all they need to make is money, continue to produce plastic sprues and epic models at a reasonable price and ALL epic players are happy.

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Oh #### them. If they don't want to sell me their pewter so be it.  My life doesn't hang on what I can add to all the crap I already own.  Maybe it would be better if Jervis did have them remove the exodite stuff, for me that it, as it would keep me from sending them $50 for some minis I doubt I'll play much anyway.

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Hi!

:D Thats a good strategy! When my wife complains on my epic spending, I'l blame it on GW offering odd epic models I dont have brilliant! :p

Seriously though, its easy to get sucked in and buy,buy, buy. I wouldn't buy any of them unless I intended to make rules for them. Actually I kinda like when these odd epic things spring up since it gives me an excuse to "whip up" some rules for it. In days when games are few and far between creating rules are all the fun I get.

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